http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2006/Apr-18-Tue-2006/news/6914050.html


video link:
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4781589


here is a different survival scenario, the man survived but with injuries. So how do you prepare for this type of survival situation? An unprovoked attack. Survival gear won't do you much good here.

"So how do you prepare for this type of survival situation?"

Be constantly aware of your surroundings and always carry at least 1 spare magazine.

Might have been a gang attack (M13?) or a race hate crime.

Not every problem has a solution! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

appears to be just a group of kids leaving a movie and suddenly deciding to attack someone and the group mentality took over. A very scary situation. we have a generation raised with no conscience or morals

1) NEVER let your guard down in public. EVER.
2) Be aware of your surroundings.
3) Scan for threats.
4) Check your 6.
5) Learn martial arts.

I'm not saying that would have prevented the crime, but I'm guessing it would have helped. I've been sucker punched. I walked away (luckily) because there were 4 others with him. Since then I've earned my black belt and I would still try to get away first, but if I couldn't then the lead guy is going down first. Sometimes it's enough to stop the gang mentality when you drop the instigator of the attack.

Don't know if a gun would have helped here in the least.

I agree with these statements:

1) never let your guard down, ever
especially in these days of terrorism and just plain psychos everywhere

2) you have to be aware of your surroundings

3) I doubt since this was a hotel employee, that he would be permitted to have a gun, even with a concealed carry permit -more than likely with this many attackers, they would probably have taken the weapon from him and used it on him

4) it proves that you can't depend on security or the police or anyone else to protect you

I agree! Oh, and with that many people, you can be sure that unless he actually started taking down people with a gun, they probably still would have jumped him.

After watching the video (took forever for me to load) I can followup with this:
1) Never leave the vehicle!
2) Get away from a dangerous situation. I'm sure the poor fella wishes he had his jaw and collar bone unbroken. The cost of a 2-way radio is virtually nothing compared to your health, and certainly nothing compared to your life.
3) Don't sass back. Keep moving. This guy may have felt a little "safe" being in a position of some authority. Try telling that to a cop. They approach every pulled over car as if their life depended on being aware and safe. Just watch some of those hair-raising police car videos to see what I mean.

The guy saw them coming, had a chance to leave. Even if he felt safe, as soon as he saw them stealing the radio, he should have left the area while calling for security/backup. He got out of the cart and it's fairly obvious he "had words" with the assailants. From the video, who knows... but it looks like something inflamatory was said. All of them looked like punk wanna-be gang bangers. I'm thinking he's REALLY lucky he didn't get shot over his radio.

Even so, they should round up every one of them and put them to back breaking labor for a few years. Of course, in our prison system, criminals hone their craft in the joint, so that's probably not a great option. LVPD is pretty notorious for not putting up with this sort of thing, and someone will give them up eventually. LV protects its PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. like no other city I've been to. Without tourism, LV is a hole in the ground. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

They happen about once every few centuries. We used to call the Crusaders. Same mentality.

A mace or pepper fog device might have helped. (don't even know if they exist. Do they?) <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

The report on FOX news says that the gang had been haning aroung all weekend and acting suspiciosly. Sounds like someone should have called the cops earlier.

I prefer a nice .45 auto and a CCW permit. Extra mags a must. The noise alone has a reasonable effect. But of course, law enforcement would be an option given some forewarning. Vegas is rough these days. Not like the 60's and 70's when it was civilized!

I don't really understand why there was no police response while this was going on -- there are bike patrols all over the strip and tons of cameras and security personnel in every hotel, but where were they in this instance?

Because if no one sees it, cops can't be called. And people have selective vision.

More to the point, if all you want to do is kill someone, you can do it with your bare hands and a little training in under 5 minutes. The cops getting there in 7 minutes won't mean much for you.

Massacre, I think you hit the mark.

I think a gun would've made an impression, these were kiddie punks and not real gang bangers, or he'd have done serious hospital time at the least. He was lucky to walk away. My first guess would've been disengagement, he certainly had plenty of opportunity before he provoked the attack.

I suspect one of the punks will get pinched and roll on his pals, and they'll all end up being the children of concerned parents and get handed community service and reparations and a mark on their record for 4 or 5 years. I also suspect the fool will sue his employer and retire comfortably on an undisclosed settlement.

Agreed benjammin...

If those were real bangers, he would have been shot after he got a beatdown. It certainly looked like he said something (granted, they swiped his radio right out of his cart, so they started it). But when you are up against 15-20 punks and you aren't armed (even if you are) you think twice about what you do and say.

One of the wannabes will roll like a little girl on his friends and the ones who did the beating (especially the kickers and the belt swinger) will probably do some time, maybe several years if they have priors. Anyone without will likely get probation and maybe a few days in county. I say line every one of them up and let the old guy dish out his own justice! When his fist gets to hurting, he can use his boot.

Sadly, the wannabes who are actually tough will likely become real bangers in prison.

I hope you don't have this kinda trouble in NYC.

"LVPD is pretty notorious for not putting up with this sort of thing, and someone will give them up eventually. LV protects its PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. like no other city I've been to."

NO, they don't. I lived there for six years before it got as bad as it is now. The crime was bad when I was there, but very little of it seeped out to the news. If you want to know what's REALLY going on when you visit LV, take your police scanner with you and program it for the local frequencies. You will be shocked at what's going on 24 hrs a day.

The gangs were moving in on the Strip about the time I left. If the LVPD had moved on them when they started, the town might have gotten a rep for being hard on those gang psychotics, but they didn't.

LV doesn't really deal with it's problems, it just covers them up. If a customer in a casino is losing and decks the (female) dealer, management will rush over, kick the dealer out of the way as she's trying to get to her feet, and solicitously ask the customer if he hurt his hand.

LV is nothing but layer upon layer of crime. Even the PD got a public thrashing during a multimillion-dollar lawsuit (which they lost) because they routinely failed to get search warrants for home searches.

The chances are very good that even if the attackers are identified, nothing much will be done. The MGM won't want the publicity, so they'll probably quietly pay off the guy who got beaten. And the trash on the streets know it.

It is said that all that glitters isn't gold, and that probably applies more in LV than anywhere else. It's a trash city with trash players... the glitz is all illusion.

Sue

I haven't been since 3 weeks after 9/11, so maybe things were a bit more subdued then. I had visited several times over the decade before that and was under just the opposite impression of what you say Sue. But, as you point out, I wasn't a local.

You know the whole damn world is falling apart when Las Vegas can't keep the crimals out. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Bad joke, sorry.

i believe i would be considered to be in the generation you're referring to, and i'm personally offended by this gross generalization. you aren't justified in claiming something so extreme about a group so large that such a definitive statement cannot possibly apply.

all right, I will amend my statement to make it a "percentage of the last couple generations" have very little conscience or morals. One only needs look at spring break to see lack of morals on parade or the number of gangs in any given major city or the number of shootings daily in my own city to see that life has very little value for the young, who are the primary perpetrators of this murderous rampage. But I would challenge you that if there are so many upstanding young people with morals and conscience, why are they not impacting those with none of those values?

Sue is absolutely right. I was a Las Vegas 'local' in the late 70's and early 80's. Most crime around the casinos is indeed hushed up, can't hurt the tourist count. And there is a place just a little north of downtown called North Las Vegas, which has a tremendous gang problem, but has anyone ever heard of North Las Vegas? [outside of the locals?] NO. The glitz is certainly an illusion. And you don't want to walk around looking like a gold display from the nearest jeweler. Someone will relieve you of it.

The guy in the cart screwed up. He didn't start it but he provoked a reaction. What is the loss of a radio compared to your safety. I would have just driven off, let them have the radio and collected license plates as they left. Or better yet, leave the lot as soon as you see a potential problem.

Even if you had a 12 gauge handy, and felt obligated to vaporize the leader, with that many assailants, you could end up quite dead by your own weapon......

"... if there are so many upstanding young people with morals and conscience, why are they not impacting those with none of those values?"

...Because it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so. After all, consequences for any risky behavior can be easily downplayed or avoided entirely these days, so where is the incentive for us to actually HAVE "morals" or "values" or even restraint? With all the opportunities to do whatever we feel like whenever we want, to do anything "old-fashioned" or "Puritan" like simply delaying or denying gratification is often openly ridiculed, which is incredibly hypocritical considering we're supposed to be so open-minded and accepting of other people.

Even with the non-criminal element, my generation has been raised with a huge sense of entitlement and very little shame. We've become so vehement in claiming our rights to liberty and the pursuit of our own happiness that we've neglected our sense of personal responsibility.

At least, this has been my experience.

And just so you know, if Everett's email address is any indication, he and I are the same age.

Stereotypes largely serve to help us separate ourselves socially. They help give us "place" in an every increasing world of chaos and social migration. Anyway, I'm certainly guilty of it. I think that this refrain (that the younger generation is morally bankrupt) has echoed through history.

I'm 33 and I've tried to lead a good life, I help others when I can and I don't force my views on anyone who doesn't care to hear them (my wife might argue otherwise! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ).

Quit often, socio-economic upbringing is only a contributor to a larger problem. It's down to parental input or lack thereof. You can argue single parents, working mothers, absentee fathers and any number of other factors. Even then, some kids make it and some don't. As far as I'm concerned, the only impact I'm required to make is to bring up my own children. And part of that is teaching them to help others while defending against those who might not be so moral.

Why do you feel this change should come from the same generation you rebuked? Doesn't that simply change your disgust from those who are immoral to those who aren't? I think you are shifting blame where it doesn't likely belong.

you state it pretty well. there is no sense of personal responsibility anymore. it is very discouraging and the whole world is on a downward spiral and I don't see much in the way of 'brakes' to slow it or stop it.

The Boy Scouts of America is here and we are making good men - one boy at a time! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The Boy Scouts are under attack by the political correctness crowd constantly, will they survive? I wonder?

The group that attached the maintance person have been doing this type of raid attack for the last couple of weeks. They have the group on tape running in to a convience store grabing anything they can and running out. There has been 6-7 reported attacks and one person has been arrested. He was looking into the camera. This is a group of young boys and girls looking for a thrill acting like punks. Hopefully the cops find them and beat the snot out of them prior to booking. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> I have lived in LV for over 25 years. The worst parts of LV are still been then many areas of Chicago, New York, Miami, LA or other big cities.

The Las Vegas strip is a very safe place to visit or walk around. The only place with more cameras is disneyland. The man attacked was working so even if he had a concealed weapons permit he probibly would not have been allowed to carry a gun. Also the group is composed of boys and girls under the age of 18, so maybe talking to them would not seen so outragous as a means to disarm the situation. That being said once they stated puching he did the smart thing and ran. Now the cops are 100% focused on getting the group. They broke the cardnial rule - NO BAD PRESS -

Can a person carry a collapsible police paton as defense weapon? Is this legal? those dam kids need to be taught a leson. Someone should kick them on the heads. They only learn from violence. When I was a kid, if a gang tries to attack me, I call upon my friends in local neighboorhod. We would hunt down these evil doers. Then we would beat the crap out of them. I remember once I beat broke a bully knee shin with a wooden stick. Then our group hung all of those bullies by their feet up the support steel beam in a warehouse. We let somone else cut them down. They never bother any of us again.

I was told by a cop that the collapsible batons are considered concealed weapons and therefor illegal to carry.

Race hate crime

"...where is the incentive for us to actually HAVE "morals" or "values" or even restraint? With all the opportunities to do whatever we feel like whenever we want, to do anything "old-fashioned" or "Puritan" like simply delaying or denying gratification is often openly ridiculed, which is incredibly hypocritical considering we're supposed to be so open-minded and accepting of other people."

And most of this is from peer pressure, the leading cause of most of the crappy behavior displayed by young people. The kids smoke, drink, do drugs, act like animals, steal whatever they want, mainly becase they can't stand up against the unrelenting peer pressure.

It doesn't really matter how hard a parent tries to raise their kids right when they are attending American Public Schools. And, since their parents were probably dumbed down by the school system of their generation (same plan, different year), they may not even know they HAVE a problem. Lots of parents don't even KNOW their kids are blind drunk most of the time, or are using drugs, or are constantly shoplifting.

The American government-operated public school system isn't, and never was, a system designed for learning, it was designed for control. The Industrial Revolution had begun about 130 years ago, and the greedy ones were paying low wages for dangerous work and long hours. The people were ready to rebel and the leaders needed a way to control them. THAT'S why our school system exists.

The literacy rate now is far lower than it was 130 yrs ago. Back then, people could think.

Our government is limiting our rights daily, it spends money faster than most people think possible, it has put us heavily into debt, it has produced a trade deficit previously unknown to this country in 400 yrs, it no longer provides justice, it just enforces laws, and it screws up every single thing it touches. And you think it runs a good school system? <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Sue