#63778 - 04/14/06 03:11 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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Yes we have armed pilots now, they aqre known as Fedreal Flight Deck Officers (FFDO).
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#63779 - 04/14/06 04:51 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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Ah, now there I fear you are wrong. You are making a classic mistake here. These "jihadists" are highly intelligent, dedicated, devout muslims who are sacrificing their lives for what they consider to be the noblest of causes - the service of Allah and the defence of His Faith. It is an ugly fact that their faith is being hijacked & manipulated by O.B.L. and his minions for secular power. O.B.L. wants to set up a pan- Islamic state govened by Shara Law in strict accordance with the word of the Prophet. As determined by his Mullah's. (give you one guess as to which Mullah's) There is of course no room for dissent and anyone who dares to argue is defying Allah and must ofcourse be put to death. There are as many factions in Islam as there are in any other faith. The idea of religious tolerance and freedom of consiance( yes, I know I spelt that wrong) & speech, which is one of the cornerstones of The Free World is, of course, anthima and must be destroyed, along with all the Islamic sects that have taken sanctuary amonst us. It's one of the oddity's of religion that the more intelligent and devout the person, the easier they are to manipulate, unfortunately. If they were stupid, this fight would already be over. They ain't and it isn't.
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#63780 - 04/14/06 05:18 PM
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"If we are considering what if? as a 9.11 scenario be aware that you will provoke the hijacker(s) into a self-destruct sequence."
"Provoke" as opposed to what they've BEEN doing for the last 4.5 years? Or do you mean non-Islamic hijackers that just intend to commit suicide and take as many people with them as they can? Well, *I* don't do dumb and helpless if I can possibly avoid it.
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#63781 - 04/14/06 06:11 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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I am simply making sure that everyone understands what the stakes are. In the best case scenario the hijacker(s) are overwhelmed in short order by passengers and crew. In the worsecase scenario when it becomes apparent that the hijackers are intent on another 9.11. If that happens you may be faced with choice of sitting still and dying or making them blow up or crash the aircraft. Personally I would, if I was the pilot, at the first hint of trouble, fly the aircraft at its maximum speed out to sea so that I can crash it into the deepest patch of ocean I can find. I would do this because I would take it as a given that they have a bio-weapon, chemical weapon, dirty bomb, plutonium dispersion weapon or whatever on board. And yes, your choices suck. The "I don't do dumb and helpless " bit is a family joke by the way.
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#63782 - 04/14/06 10:58 PM
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"...highly intelligent, dedicated, devout muslims". Devout they may be, but if they are anything like this buffoon then they don't scare me. And that goes double for his pal Richard Reid. He couldn't even light his shoe on fire for crapssake. Maybe you are right. Maybe they are just stupid enough to try another plane takeover. We'll see what happens then.
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#63783 - 04/15/06 01:57 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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The first thing that comes to mind is 3-4 socks stuffed one inside the other, and filled with as many key sets and as much pocket change as I can scrounge up from other passengers. According to my wife, my socks are a weapon by themselves after a few hours. Maybe it's time for some Odor Eaters <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#63784 - 04/15/06 01:59 PM
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Sneak into the toilet, rip out the toilet seat and use it as a boomerang - take out multiple targets with one throw ! That's a "crappy" idea. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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#63785 - 04/15/06 02:14 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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Namu (Giant Tree)
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Topics such as yours have become taboo in our post-9/11 world, especially on the Web, where privacy is an illusion. Privacy is an illusion anyway, and "freedom of speech" is a misnomer. But at least we don't have rocket and mortar attacks in the streets. Lesser of the evils? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> But as a song quipped, "when you choose the lesser of the evils, you always get something less and something evil" <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Even with all the problems though, I'm still proud to be an American, although the opinions of my government do not necessarily reflect the opinions of myself or my family <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#63786 - 04/15/06 02:18 PM
Re: Airline self-defense
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Namu (Giant Tree)
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It's getting to be a bit of a scary thing when kids in school don't understand the Bill or Rights or haven't ever heard of it. The Bill of what?? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />
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