The position covers worked well after being hemmed and grommeted they are indestinguishable from the $50 tarps sold by Campmor. The waterproofing used on them is very heavy-duty and makes them somewhat stiff and difficult to work with when sewing. I found that ironing them with a very cool iron (make sure the wife is out of the building and that you use a scouring pad to clean it up when your done) softened this up well with no damage to the waterproofness. They weigh in around 2 lbs when done so they aren't like a siltarp which for the same size sells around $110 and weighs around 9 oz. but then again these will support 18" of dirt piled ontop which I think might be too much for a sil-tarp. For $3 and an enjoyable afternoon improvising with the wives tools (sewing machine, and iron) I managed to get a really durable shelter tarp. If cashflow restrictions are the driving concern then this is a good alternative. <br><br> I did buy these from Majors surplus on the net and I have two more to modify still. Even without the sewing and grommeting they are quite usable and come with stakes and cordage. You could use them as the instructions specify or with some simple veggie-balls you could improvise cord attachment points and make a tent. <br><br>These tarps are carried in my Vehicles and Vest kits. Much better than the tube-tent that they replaced for versatility and durability and a little cheaper actually.<br><br>minime is my alter-ego. Something to do with a failure in the user registration process in the forum software. Chris can explain. In any case I am minime and minime is mebrad. Sorry for the confusion. <br><br>Brad.