I've used (or rather, tried to use) both smokeless and black powder to start a fire... NOT a good idea. Smokeless doesn't ignite until you get to a pretty high temp, if you can get your tinder that hot, you don't need the smokeless. Black powder flashes at the least provocation, and you'll singe your fingers and blacken your tinder, but the flash doesn't last long enough for ignition of the tinder. I tried both when I was young and FOOLISH, and learned the hard way. I've never tried the textbook "cloth in a cartridge after pulling the bullet" method, but then again, after learning my lesson with gun powder fire starters, I've never been without (several) better ways to make a fire <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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