Going in the opposite direction heres a recommendation for those of us on budgets.Find a clean,shooting grade mauser 98,British SMLE,Swede 96 Mauseror 1917Remington.This is like buying a used car so get help!The Mausers and older SMLE could stand a sight upgrade.Some of the Mauser cartridges are rather uncommon but all are in production and boast surplus military rounds for cheap training.These old rifles were made to go bang! in filthy conditions from the poles to the equator.Homesteaders in the Alaskan Brookes range use 8x57 mausers on caribou, while tsavo game wardens take out ak-47 armed poachers with .303 smle's! I have a 1909 Argentine cavalry carbine in 7.62x54.Total cash outlay for rifle,cartridges and electricians tape for muzzle $200.Money saved vis a commercial rifle going to another survival school enrollment!<br><br>