"There are documented shootings where the .22 worked: and there are others where full magazines or chambers of .45acp and .44magnums DID NOT."

There are documented cases of a person being shot with a full magazine of .44/.45 and not being stopped?! I find that very hard to beleive(unless they're wearing armor), but if so I'd like to hear the full story on that.

P.S. What's with all the hostility against vegetarians? If people chose to live a life that avoids unnecessary killing, why hold it against them?

What hostility to vegetarians ? This thread is again slipping out of the ETS focus. And again, there are several excellent forums on firearms where people can debate shots to the occipital orb to their unwounded hearts delight. One of many incidents I know of involves two gang members of the Oxnard Satanas ( california filipino gang.) They were in a dispute over drugs, both high on meth and went mano a mano in a hallway. Satanas #1 inflicted 7 non life threatening .45 acp wounds to his opponent, who then took aim with a .22 and killed him with a shot to the heart. You will recall the U.S. Army during our rather brutal subjugation of the Philipines re issued SAA's to stop moro fanatiks- and even those sometimes failed. I think the moral is to avoid Moros- in Luzon and Oxnard. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Unless I misread his post, he is not a US citizen and several European countries are not as bizzare with silencer restrictions as we are in the US.

In my limited experience with them, silencers actually make practice sessions a bit more pleasant and a properly designed one has no adverse effects on accuracy. Actually, there are several weapon systems that are MORE accurate with the silencer than without (The ones I am aware of are centerfire rifles, to be sure).

OTOH - since you brought it up - if I have to use a firearm in self defence, I WANT it to make a large noise - to alert others. I mean, it's theoretically possible that I would miss... nah, probably not...

TiC,

Tom

It isn't hostility, I've dated a couple and my cousin is one. I just like to tease. And vegans do taste better. (If you don't get it, don't worry, you are too young to get hte joke.)

As for the ability to take 5, 6, 7 hits from something in the .4"+ class and keep coming, there are a number of cases. Drugs, booze, shock from another injury, and just being really, really mean and angry have all done it.

There was a guy in the early '90s who was sitting in a park threatening people with a shotgun and a couple of pistols, I don't remember where. When the cops showed up, he shot at them, so they called for tactical support. Long story short, a .308 Federal Match to the forehead, and he's in prison today, not the ground. His skull was thick enough to shed most of the injury, so not quantifiable brain damage.

Scared the snot out of the the guys in the morgue, I bet.

What world do you live in? Most cops shoot once or twice a year. Then only because they have to. Many cops carry guns because it's part of the uniform. My department just cancled the night/incliment weather shoot because it was too cold for the "office jocks" to be outside at -5 degrees. It doesn't stop some of us gun nuts, but most cops can't or don't shoot, period.

I'll get off my soap box before some starts throwing tomatos or worse. A hit with a .22 is far better than a miss with any other caliber. If you want one, it's cheap to shoot so practice, practice, practice...until you don't miss at the distance of the longest room in your home. I've been known to carry a .22LR mini revolver in the past and have shot it so much that it has been sent to the factory thrice after it went out of time. To be fair there was between 3000 and 5000 rounds shot through it each time. However with any handgun but especially a smaller caliber if you need to use it for defence, keep shooting until the bad guy has stopped his assault.

Take care and Stay Safe

Wow, what a mass of receptions to my post! I haven?t imagined that this could be so interesting to others ...

Let me explain some more on my intention on this toppic:
It?s right I?m not living CONUS but that?s not the point. I?ve to travel through out the world on duty demand as one of the so called "Brooks Brothers Brigade" <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />and unfortunately not all places I see are very hospitable to foreigners. Often I can?t trust there in the officials like police or so. I?ve to stand trouble on my own.
Under these circumstances I wish to have one lightweight, reliable and sometimes silent weapon on me.
I?ve to avoid alerting anyone when using it for selfdefence or hunting while on my long way home as a "fugitive".
Don?t get me wrong: I?m not James Bond ! I only want to get home to my beloved wife under any (!) circumstances !

Molf

Chris,

Send Fat Tony over and I'll be drizzling butter over his blubbery carcass and eating him too. <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Just funnin' around. I've got nothing against vegans and don't even know Fat Tony. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

TR (going back to less controversial topics like firearm use).

Fat Tony? The Simpsons? DUH!

Ahhh, that Fat Tony. In that case, we shall stew him in Duff!

I might suggest something a bit bigger in that case, but if possible, get several handguns. I often suggest that if you need to carry in a some what sub rosa capacity, that you carry something common to that part of the world.

I'll also point out that places that unlikely to like travelers often have very strict regs on bringing in things that go "bang".