"Vegans already graze. We'll eat them after the cows."

I love vegans.... They taste like chicken! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

MMMMmmmmm...
Vegan-loaf
Vegan on a stick
Vegan Kabobs
Vegan-roni
BBQ-Vegan
Teriaki Vegan
Roast Vegan Sandwiches.
Vegan Chops
Vegan Tacos

MY favorite cook book, "To Serve Man" <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

TR (Getting tired of eating dogs and cats)

That's a sick sense of humor, but I LIKE it <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Troy

Use the ammunition that is most reliable in your pistol (proper feeding and ejection and absence of misfires).

Strongly disagreeing with another post: DON'T plan on head shots. That is an unreliable caliber on human skulls; there is over 100 years strong evidence of this. And the brain on a moving person is a small and evasive target to boot. Practice for multiple torso hits, preferably in the vicinity of the heart.

The "insurance" shot for this caliber has always been reported to be a single round in the heart at point blank range. I suspect, but do not know, that abdominal hits can be disuasive, but they are probably not an immediate deterent.

See if you can locate Kenny Eto, formerly of Chicago. I believe he is currently in the witness protection program. In '83, his colleagues decided to retire Ken, with three rounds from a .22 to the back of his head. None of the rounds penetrated. Ken than began to sing a long and beautiful song.

If I remember correctly, the shooters ended their careers in the back of a trunk.

Gerry

This is the problem witht the 22. I agree with the above and disagree with my own advice. Ask me again in 12 hours and I will have switched.

A 22 thru the eye socket is a great shot. It also my glance off the frontal bone of the skull if a forehead shot is attempted.

BUT.... a heavy jacket and hitting a rib in the chest without penetrating....you have just made your assailant mad. And a 22 caliber hole in the heart is not an instant stopping shot.

There is the problem with the 22....no good, more often than not, reliable shot to be attempted and practiced.

Once again, let's hear it for the venerable ol' .45 <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Troy

O.K. lets keep it civil Or I'll have Fat Tony come over and dump your PSKs in the shag carpeting.

Question: Why are you concerned about silencer performance? In addition to being a detrement to accuracy,
they are subject to a Federal license/transfer fee and are prohibited by many states.
If you do become envolved in a shooting, the last thing you need to explain is why you had to use a silenced weapon. Leave the silencers to the "company" (CIA), special operations people and the family.

Twi Rules to Live By:
"There is nothing so frightening as ignorance in action."
"When in doubt, empty the magazine."

I've seen 22 solids go thru 2x4s and plywood, and I gotta think that hitting a kneecap or shin bone, or even a foot shot would pretty much make that limb useless.

When I shoot sub-caliber for self defense, I always aim at or below the belt buckle. Most times the fight's over if they can't walk anymore. In fact, the same goes for sd loads on the shotgun.

Even major caliber head shots are a waste of ammo in a self defense situation.

For what it's worth, the 22 lr is a more suitable sd cartridge than the 25 acp. Standard loads are more powerful, the weapon selection is better, and both cartridge and firearm are more economical.

Now there was a time when a company named Grendel made a nice semi auto about the size of a springfield 45 that chambered the 22 mag, with a detachable box magazine that held 30 rounds. It wasn't a particularly high quality firearm, but it was reliable enough, and the muzzle blast on that 3" barrel made it look and sound like a 357 magnum, especially at night. Yep, you could get everyone's attention with that little shooter.

Personally, I think the 45 acp is the minimum effective self defense cartridge. Of course, like someone else said, it ain't much for small game hunting, especially if it's meat for the pot.

No, for God's sake no, i'm not a vegetarian! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

My reply was slightly ironic, I mean... silencer performance... come on. Isn't this more related to urban close quarters combat than hunting for your survival?

Maybe i'm just too touchy. Just my opinion. On a lighter note, you should taste my rabbit pie... it's awesome! Had some people come over last weekend and they were drooling for a second piece! Tee hee! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />