What hostility to vegetarians ? This thread is again slipping out of the ETS focus. And again, there are several excellent forums on firearms where people can debate shots to the occipital orb to their unwounded hearts delight. One of many incidents I know of involves two gang members of the Oxnard Satanas ( california filipino gang.) They were in a dispute over drugs, both high on meth and went mano a mano in a hallway. Satanas #1 inflicted 7 non life threatening .45 acp wounds to his opponent, who then took aim with a .22 and killed him with a shot to the heart. You will recall the U.S. Army during our rather brutal subjugation of the Philipines re issued SAA's to stop moro fanatiks- and even those sometimes failed. I think the moral is to avoid Moros- in Luzon and Oxnard. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />