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#53667 - 11/13/05 04:00 PM Candle in Truck
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I had a "brilliant" idea that turned out to be not so brilliant. I read about using a candle to heat a vehicle if you are stuck in a snowstorm. But, where to put it? I found a jar that was just the right size for the cup holders. Using a kerosene lamp wick, I cast a candle in the jar. Now, I can put the jar-candle in the cup holder. Unfortunately, the cup holder is too close to the dashboard . I don't want to keep warm by setting the interior on fire. Perhaps a smaller wick would help. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

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#53668 - 11/13/05 04:08 PM Re: Candle in Truck
groo Offline
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Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 740
Loc: Florida
Heh. I see the attraction, though.

Would an aluminum foil "shield" help any?


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#53669 - 11/13/05 04:21 PM Re: Candle in Truck
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Registered: 07/06/03
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A friend and his wife were in s snowstorm on the way home from s ski trip and rather than drive the icy, snowy road late at night, they pulled off into a small country store parking lot off the highway and had sleeping bags and munchies in the car. He had taken his candle lantern just in case and lit it and hung it in the middle of the roll bar, old Toyota Forerunner, he also cracked a window down on the lee side of the wind. It helped provide warmth, keeps the humidity down and gives off a nice light.
I always take one snow camping and hang it from the peak of my tent, works well and before I got older and lost some of my vision, I could read by the light. Main thing it does in a tent is keep the frost down inside the roof of the tent and of course provides some heat.
Try looking for a small candle lantern, REI carries them. Cheers!
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#53670 - 11/13/05 07:38 PM Re: Candle in Truck
philip Offline
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Would an aluminum foil "shield" help any?

Depends on how you wear it:
http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

Phil

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#53671 - 11/13/05 07:40 PM Re: Candle in Truck
philip Offline
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But, where to put it?

It's truck-dependent, as you've found. My cup holders are on the console between the front seats, so no problem putting a candle there. You don't say what truck you've got, but it's clearly not mine.

Just keep experimenting; you'll find a place.

Phil

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#53672 - 11/13/05 08:20 PM Re: Candle in Truck
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Registered: 09/04/05
Posts: 417
Loc: Illinois
DON'T... REPEAT, DO NOT use that candle as is, I've broken more than one glass jar using them as a container for a re-cast candle... apparently, there's not too many jars out there that are tempered to handle the heat from a burning wick on the inside. I can't stand the idea of throwing away candle stubs, so I use wide mouth jars, but I always put them on a large plate to catch wayward wax if/when the jar cracks/breaks, and I keep the plate/jar clear of combustables, but there's no way I'd use one in a vehicle. Stick with a candle in a can, there are several "survival" candles that fill the bill on the market, or if you're of a mind to, you can make your own. I've found that an "International Blends" gourmet coffee can works great, they even have a reusable plastic lid to hold matches or a BIC with the candle.

Troy

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#53673 - 11/13/05 08:37 PM Re: Candle in Truck
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Registered: 06/16/05
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Loc: Illinois
I've seen coffee cans and bulk film cannisters used without negative consequences.

Noticed the other day that Target also carries a stainless steel ashtray. Might work.

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#53674 - 11/13/05 11:57 PM Re: Candle in Truck
harrkev Offline
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Registered: 09/05/01
Posts: 384
Loc: Colorado Springs, CO
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He had taken his candle lantern just in case and lit it and hung it in the middle of the roll bar, old Toyota Forerunner, he also cracked a window down on the lee side of the wind. It helped provide warmth, keeps the humidity down and gives off a nice light.
I always take one snow camping and hang it from the peak of my tent

I am not so sure about that being a good idea...

I have one of those exact same lanterns, as shown here...
http://www.rei.com/product/4496.htm

A week ago, I felt like relaxing, and did not want any harsh electric lights (there is something about the nice warm glow of a candle, and these lanterns put off a lot more light than my wife's decorative candles).

So, I hung this lantern from the pull-chain of a ceiling fan in my house (fan turned off, of course). After about half of an hour, the pull chain was so hot that I could not even touch it. So it takes a while, but whatever is above this lantern does indeed get quite warm. I do not know what temperature it takes to ignite nylon, but I do not want to find out on a tent that I happen to be in at the time.

Of course, if it is snowing in a tent at the time, you might still be safe. And I have hung this lantern form my own tent before, but only for 10 minutes at a time. So it might still be safe to use thing thing for short periods. But after my experience, I do not want to risk it any more.

However, I would feel quite safe putting the lantern on the bottom of my tent, if I could find a way to keep it elevated from the floor, and if I could arrange it so that it could not tip over.

Just my $0.02, and worth every penny.
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#53675 - 11/14/05 12:51 AM Re: Candle in Truck
widget Offline
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Actually I believe the lantern my buddy has is the same as mine, it is a French made item that uses a "pink lady" candle that has to be cut off before putting it in the lantern. It hangs by a chain on top, which keeps relatively cool. Heat does rise. I have used the lantern all night in a tent before with no damage to the tent, the tent roof did not get hot at all. I probably have done a full or partial night 50+ times.
I believe the candles in the lantern REI now sells are larger diameter and hang with a solid, short handle. It is very common while mountaineering to hang a stove from the ceiling of a tent and use the stove to melt snow, cook meals, etc. I have done that inside a tent as well, but that keeps your attention. It is only done where no other means is practical.
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#53676 - 11/14/05 06:07 AM Re: Candle in Truck
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Theres an old folkstory from I believe Turkey ( Burak!) The men had gathered together over coffee and in conversation one boastedd he could stand outside all night in the winter cold. His friends challenged him to the bet, the man to provide a banquet if he failed. So that very day he walked out at sunset to the barren hillside overlooking the village in only his thin work clothes. It became bitterly cold and he soon felt colder than at anytime in his life. Dark shadows of wolves mixed with the eary sounds of the wind. He was about to give in and race to home and bed when he spotted the tiny light of a candle far below in a window. He stared at the far away candle and found courage. With prayers to Allah he watched the candle burn until the first rays of sunlight brought warmth and his approaching friends to see if he had survived. They were naturally shocked and looked about for signs of a campfire or secreted rugs. Finding nothing they questioned him at length. He finally told of the distant candle in the window. AHAH! that candle, however far gave off heat. You lose the bet and we dine at your home tonight. That evening the men assembled and waited, and waited until 4 hours passed. Finally in anger they burst into the kitchen. There was the man, true to his promise cooking a dinner in a huge copper pot- over a single candle. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> Please refer to my toilet paper, coffeecan and alcohol car heater in an earlier thread. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (11/14/05 06:10 AM)

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#53677 - 11/14/05 09:09 AM Re: Candle in Truck
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Registered: 01/08/04
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Loc: Centre Hall Pa
Both of these burners are based on the tuna can. These cans are used because they are large enough to be useful but compact enough for practicality. Additionally their height to diameter ratio is such that they are very stable. Making them hard to tip over. A nice safety benefit. They are also used unlike other cans of this general size they are heavier duty and robust enough to withstand the heat they will be exposed to. To construct the candle version one or more wicks usually 3, 4 or 5 are placed in the can and it is filled with paraffin. While producing adequate heat they are the better method for generating light. You only need to light as many wicks as you need at the moment.The buddy burner on the other hand is more adapted for heat production. To construct newspaper [although most any paper will work] or corrugated cardboard is cut into strips the width of which is the height of the can. The strips are then rolled and placed into and filling the can. Melted paraffin is then poured in saturating the material. Pour until it will hold no more. The paper or cardboard then acts like a very large wick. Both of these can be refueled while in use. In both cases take chunks of paraffin chopped from a bar. For the candle place them in the pool of melted wax and the burner just place them on top. The additions will simply melt and be incorporated. As these will get hot during use if you intend to use them in the interior of the car [and that ’s reason they're there] you will need something to set them on to prevent burning or melting a hole in your seats. A simple trivet woud be a hot pad from your kitchen used to handle hot cookware of course. In my younger days I have cooked meals on a buddy burner with no difficulties. Also they make plastic lids to cover open cat food containers, This just happens to be the same sizes as a tuna can. Thuis way you can close up the can for transportation when it is cooled off. P. S. Don't forget something or better yet several some things and methods to ignite them. Even more important anything that burns uses air. Crack a window without ventilation you could run out and die.
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#53678 - 11/15/05 05:06 AM Re: Candle in Truck
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
Raspy, don't forget how to "turn off" this stove: drop the original metal lid (or one a bit larger) on top of the flames. Sand the sharp edge first, to avoid cuts. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sue

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#53679 - 11/15/05 06:32 AM Re: Candle in Truck
Raspy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 351
Loc: Centre Hall Pa
Susan I have had no problem just blowing them out.
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When in danger or in doubt
run in circles scream and shout
RAH

And always remember TANSTAAFL

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