I have no problem with low-lethality kinetics and chemicals. Guys with full-auto paintball guns loaded with pepperballs and solid gelatins, stingball and flash grenades, pepper and tear gas aresols, these are a few of my favorite things. So is using helicopters just off the deck, so the rotor wash pushes back the crowd.

I also like a minigun on the back of a hummer with the first 600 rounds solid tracer. That gets fired over thier heads. That is after the low-leathality stuff and the choppers. If they don't get it by that point, maybe the tracers will get thier attention. If it doesn't, well... Heck, since a minigun is technically a lever action, skip fired rubber bullet off the concrete. 3000 cyclic, yeah, that will get thier attention.

Viva Le Crusade!

I guess we could try it your way... but I had 7.62 hardball in mind <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Troy

AFAIK, it's not the entire population of these suburbs whois riotting/demonstrating.
Yes, there are serious economic/social problems in these areas and these people need more help than tear gas.

IMHO, it's only a few stupid (for sure), disoriented (at the least), manipulated (may be, if only by TVs) teenagers, having some fun.... <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

And exploiting these incidents, reporters and political people try to give them a political meaning...
There are grounds for political unrest, but these events are not related.
Not at first.
But let TV et politics manipulate all this, let them "pour oil over the fire" and then ....... it could really turn into revolt, they just need a little time to succeedl. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

Hi Frenchy

I don't work that far from Seine, Saint-Denis, 10-15 mins down the road. Levallois hasn't been touched so far. There have been a few cars in Massy and Palaiseau that got torched. Three of which on the car park of my residence. But to be honest I think these are profiteers. Set fire to your car blaim it on the riots and claim it off the issurance.

Watching the TF1 and the others I just can't help getting the feeling that the telly is fuelling more of the trouble than informing. "Hey mum did you seem me on telly throwing that...." Like some one said riots make TV.

While the politicians are saying alot, which is part and parcel of being a politicain, I know, aren't actually doing very much. Except of course being seen on telly.

The solution, well I don't believe tear gas, rubber bullets et al will resolve the reason for the riots. I like you believe using such tactics will increase the unrest and give further fuel to the riots.

Helicopters were out last night and the curfews in some districts seemed to have a calming effect with fewer incidents reported this morning. I don't for a second believe this with go away soon. But if people pause for a moment and think a little ( asking a bit much there ) then maybe there will be some hope.

Oooooh oooooh,
it seems to me that violent tendencies are omnipresent even in this forum.
I´ve read here about "fire to the crowd [at] chest level", "7.62 hardball" and so on.

Maybe I didn´t understood the satire in those posts but in my opinion that´s not the toppic to make yokes on.
Especially because our all fellow Frenchy might stick inside this trouble !

I don´t want to affront someone, but before my eyes the behavior of the "revolters" in france and the "restrainers" in this forum start to blur ...
What´s the difference between unmotivated violence against someone/something you don´t know when you´re a stupid teenager or when you´re wearing a uniform and a badge?

I´ve no problems with selfdefence and actions against criminals but indifferent shooting at groops of kids !?
What is enough to expect to be seriously harmed or killed? Lethal action against others or even being in a crowd?
Yes, it´s their own decision to be there but can you rearly demand those damn stupid kids to know waht they´re doing while they´re under those group dynamics?

For sure it might be due to shift the situation after the first revolters have been shoot by lawenforcers but you can´t tell to which side:
They might start to think about their behavior and stay at home - or - total rage and rampage even in other quarters or all over the country?

Did we really have reached this point of "cultur"?
Unfortunatly I didn´t have a solution either...

Molf

I think that one way of dealing with the anger and frustration one gets from watching these rioters is to make jokes about it. Maybe they are in bad taste but I wouldn't assume that people are serious about firing indiscriminately into a crowd.

Especially when aimed fire is much more effective... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Regards, Vince

Actually, I'm quite serious about using low leathality kinetic munitions and riot control chemicals.

It is. The media is sensationalizing these clowns. Or at least here, that is how it is sounding in the European media. I might be loosing a few bits in the translations, though.

And I agree with Frenchy, there needs to be something more than a hard response. But that is for next week- to contain the situation is what is needed now.

Thanks Vince, I needed that <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Troy