Get your kids into scouting and then make it a scout project. The wives will tolerate anything for the kids.<br><br>It's for the kids honey. Just think ... It's a healthy thing for them .... Atleast they aren't down on the corner with the druggies!<br><br>I've been able to get my wife to participate in such messiness through this type of argument. <br><br>YMMV ;^)