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#52409 - 10/22/05 04:09 PM You think they have answers and laws
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
The running thread about 'defending' supplies, legal ramifications about hoarding etc. have brought forth many regional bits and pieces along with the "my cold dead hand" kneejerk response. If the recent disaster/debacle in New Orleons has revealed anything, it's that our governments are whoefully unprepared for disasters of this magnitude. If we can't even evacuate a modern city, what makes anyone think learned men and women sitting on court benches have pondered hoarding Pepsi Cola and toilet paper? Such issues rarely elicite candidacy to the Supreme Court. Firearm magazines have devoted entire legal columns to deadly force. I have yet to see a stack of Guns and Ammo entered as evidence in a shooting case. The truth at present is nobody really knows what 'laws' or emergency measures would be implemented; not you,me, the governors or the president. Until then fall back on Elmer Fudd's mantra, " be quiet, wery,wery quiet." <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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#52410 - 10/22/05 05:34 PM Re: You think they have answers and laws
randyo Offline
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Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 56
Elmer is my hero, so I must correct your pronunciation.
It's "Vewy Vewy Quiet !"

Get it wight you wascally modewator!!

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#52411 - 10/23/05 01:53 AM Re: You think they have answers and laws
norad45 Offline
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Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
You know, I consider myself to be a fairly well-read, thoughtful individual. I have never been one to go on a half-cocked tirade against the government. I understand that government=bureaucracy, and that bureaucracy=fubar. But I have always thought that the fubar effect could be managed. But perhaps we have gotten to the point where our government--even what we consider to be our "local" government--has simply grown so huge that at best it is unresponsive, and at worst (like Katrina) it positively becomes a hindrance.

I grew up thinking that the closer government was to the people, the better the response. I'm not sure it makes any difference anymore.

Regards, Vince

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#52412 - 10/23/05 02:16 AM Re: You think they have answers and laws
ki4buc Offline
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Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
I should have known better to step on a land mine...

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#52413 - 10/23/05 03:18 AM Re: You think they have answers and laws
randyo Offline
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Registered: 09/19/05
Posts: 56
There is still some level of accountability when dealing with local government officials. All other levels have become unresponsive, bloated, insatiable, self preserving monstrosities. Bastiat said it best "Government is the great fiction wherein men strive to live at the expense of other men".
My more modern take is that Government has evolved into a jobs program for second rate lawyers.
We'd be far better served by stronger local government, and state and federal governments limited to part-time assemblies. Mutual self-defense, insuring a stable money supply, and a minimally invasive amount of regulation of interstate commerce is what the founders envisioned. Arguments are made that this type of limited government would not be effective in todays more complex world, but I disagree. Heck, how much worse could it be? You could make a pretty strong argument that we'd be better off paying the politicians a salary to stay home and do nothing. We'd still be out the money we pay them, but they wouldn't be spending all the rest.

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#52414 - 10/23/05 05:42 AM Re: You think they have answers and laws
benjammin Offline
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Registered: 02/06/04
Posts: 4020
Loc: Anchorage AK
See my earlier post citing Davey Crockett's admonition.
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#52415 - 10/23/05 12:59 PM Re: You think they have answers and laws
brandtb Offline
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Registered: 11/26/04
Posts: 514
Loc: S.E. Pennsylvania
Copywight 2005 Elmer Fudd. All wights wesewved.
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#52416 - 10/23/05 03:56 PM Re: You think they have answers and laws
Brangdon Offline
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Registered: 12/12/04
Posts: 1204
Loc: Nottingham, UK
My impression is that the slow response to Katrina was largely due to your President putting people in charge because they helped his campaign rather than because they were the best man for the job. You guys voted Bush in for a second term so I guess you got what you wanted.
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#52417 - 10/23/05 05:09 PM Re: You think they have answers and laws
ironraven Offline
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Registered: 09/08/05
Posts: 4642
Loc: Vermont
Bah, you didn't know.

Now, don't move your foot. If you wiggle, it might go off. :P
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When a man dare not speak without malice for fear of giving insult, that is when truth starts to die. Truth is the truest freedom.

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#52418 - 10/23/05 06:19 PM Re: You think they have answers and laws
SheepDog Offline
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Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 232
Loc: Wild Wonderful WV
The way it works over here in the US is that the local level of government has to request the help for it to come. It is not something that can be “forced” on to the local levels because it is something they “need”. One of my friends is the emergency response coordinator for Florida and was ready to send her people over directly post hurricane but could not until requested to do so. She also had to send people over to teach them how to request and whom to request from since many of the local level governments had not bothered to even gain that much knowledge. Our federal government had communicated on a fairly strong level to the Louisiana state government as well as to the New Orleans city government the need to evacuate its people to little effect.

Were they slow in getting there?? Yea maybe, but they had a faster response time than during several storms in Florida.
I have lived in every one of the states that got hit during this year’s hurricane season and can give you a personal observation that the results of the storm in Louisiana were sown many years ago by the people of Louisiana who put up with a corrupt government on every level and let their officials run their state as it pleases them.
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