Something like this + add your favorite state/dept of health logo !

I can understand your thinking on the idea of getting a receipt, but my perspective is that if things are bad enough that the local establishment is looking for things to take, then I am not sure I can trust their judgement that they won't decide to take something I might need. The implication is that during a time of crisis, they would even care what my rights to survival might be. They may decide summarily that, because I didn't voluntarily share when I had the chance, or because I disagree with them about what I can and cannot live without, they will simply take it all. I am sorry, I cannot take the chance that some well intentioned but biased LEO will decide in my favor. They can ask, but they cannot demand.

Likewise, with the vehicle, I have room in my rig for 6 people plus supplies. So if, while my wife and I are on the way down to my daughter's school to pick her and some of her closest friends (who've called me daddy for 15 or more years) up on the way to the cabin, some LEO again decides that I need to take him and his girlfriend and her mom 15 miles out of town in the other direction because I have the room, I am afraid a confrontation is inevitable at that point. It has to be "not unless I say so", or else what's the point of even trying? I am more than willing to share some of my hard earned and planned for resources, depending on the situation. I share a lot of my excesses (and a few of my necessities sometimes). I don't mind going out of my way to help others I think need and deserve help. I would hope that if I got in a pinch, there are folks out there who would do likewise for me, if I asked nicely. I guess if I get really desperate, I might try to take something from someone else, but likely if they have it and I don't, they are probably better prepared at protecting it than I am at taking it from them. I expect that.

Trying to legislate survival during crisis is like telling a fire to quit burning.

I'm not thinking of the surface roads as a place for vehicles to be checked, but on the interstate. Besides, I can't understand not having plans which involve a coworker or neighbor or relative- I think it was Ayers who said it was a team sport. And IF I'm bugging, it is to a shelter, I'd just as soon have someone with me who I can trust at my back.

As for you points about having materials "drafted", I agree, but I also know that if you really try to stand your ground, you (a) arrested, or (b) shot. Neither one of them is a very good option in an emergency. Asking for a receipt gives you a paper trail for later. Besides, be discrete- part of that is having a lot of flashy junk out front sometimes, with the good stuff better hidden.

In my state (NY), police officers can do anything necessary to protect lives. Example: escaping armed criminal runs into your house. The officer can enter & search for the man but may only look in places large enough to conceal a person. No search warrent is required, and the officer is responsible for his actions.

A lot of these replies have been enlightening... and not all for the better, the subject matter just doesn't leave room for a "comfortable, touchy-feely answer" that most folks can wrap their heads around, and come away saying " yeah, that's OK". My own oppinion (that I'll state at this point in time) is that if it's meant for me & mine, that's the way it ought to stay... I thought ahead, I baught, bartered, 'n scrounged, I saved... in short, I planned ahead... MY STUFF IS MINE!!! to share or keep, as I see fit, but the key to it is, as Chris has already REPEATEDLY stated, keep your business, YOUR business, maintain a low profile, and cover yer donkey... and if the day ever comes that you have to maintain possession by force, then by all means, don't leave any witnesses.

Shoot straight... shoot first, there's only one winner.

Troy

P.S. I just hope I make it down to the Islands before it comes to that in this neck 'o th' woods... have a great day, all.

I was just thinking that it might not hurt to have some "decoy goods" in an obvious place, and your main supply in a less obvious place. Or places.

"Well... if you really need them.... I guess we can give you HALF..."

When I was a kid, my parents bought a place that had an invisible closet in the entry. It looked like a panelled wall with no opening, unless you knew where to push, then it opened.

Walls usually have studs of 2x4s, which can hold most canned goods comfortably. Maybe a sliding panel to cover?

There's nothing wrong with being sneaky... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sue

Sue

Excellent response, that's the spirit!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

In tangent to the decoy approach, I like the aversion principle. You won't find a whole lotta people willing to go into the swamp to look for boodle. If you make it appear risky, they will avoid it altogether.

Don't get me wrong, the decoy idea is nice, but I would rather not encourage anyone to come a knocking, they may think that there's more to be had if they press the issue.

Think Addams family. Sure they had it all, but who wanted any of it?

Just some thoughts, but…

Money is nothing more then a “paper trust”; an alternative to bartering, it represents an acceptable way for individuals, etc. to engage in commerce, be it for hard goods or services. We trust that the money will allow us to purchase some item(s) or service(s) and that the person accepting the cash can then use it in kind.

Is there any real difference between stockpiling/hording supplies vs. money?

If, I have $1,000 on me (which I am not using at the moment) and some needy person comes up to me and asks me to “share” my money with him/her and I refuse, is this hording?

If the same person then attempts to use force (steal) to “acquire” some or all of that money is this any real difference then someone trying to use force to “access” my supplies?

Can someone with just a credit card (has the means) force me to provide them with cash, because they did not have the forethought to carry cash and the store, etc. will only accept cash?

Can the government, etc. force me to give up cash I may not be using at the moment, if they are experiencing a shortage and decide they need it more then I do?

Can a wealthy person be forced to give up that “hoard” of cash they have been saving to provide medical care to an individual facing a life-threatening event?

Should Credit Card companies be allowed to charge 15-20+%(could be viewed as price gouging/profiteering) interest to borrow their money?

Whenever someone wants to regulate or force regulations for the “greater good” we should be wary of motive and impact. This is not to say, it is not of benefit or value or that it should not be done, but it must be viewed with caution.

I believe, when we as individuals/families/communities, etc. rise to the occasion with services or goods freely given to others in need we reflect all of the positive values of a “civilized” world. When taken by force (legal or physical) we are headed down a very dangerous road.

Pete

Yes. They're doing it right now. When they print money, they decrease the value of every dollar already in circulation. The fed printing money is what causes price inflation. The result of which is that money you currently have in the bank buys less tomorrow than it would have yesterday. It's a very stealthy tax, but the effects are real.



Well, duh. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> And any other services that will help reelect a politician. The government knows much better than you what to do with all that money you have. Hand it over, Citizen.

The real difference between stock piling and hoarding is not one of definition, or timing, but perspective. Those who had the smarts to make hay while the sun was shining call it stock piling. The idiots who have nothing to eat will call it hoarding.

Wow. Hurricanes make me cranky. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Here here, for you and Pete!!!

I am tired of having my pockets picked, being told it's for the greater good, then watch the pile just disappear into the ether.

Glad to hear I'm not the only one on this page. I was starting to wonder.