I was told but have never checked it out that in NV you are not aloud to refuse a request for water nor are you aloud to charge for it. I would say in a SHTF emergency use the force nessary but be ready to provide a quick burial of the evendence. Discretiopn is probably the best action.

I received divine guidance on this matter last night. I really did! One of our cults came to the door again. In the past I've used physical force, overwhelming theological debating skills and finally opening the door naked with my cowboy hat and boots on. So I'm standing there coughing my head off as this stuntman for Mel Gibson's Passion is asking about some latino dayworker named jesus and if I know him. I finally say "I'm sorry, I've got a VERY contagious disease, somebody must have stolen my state quarantine sign. " He bolted through the sprinklers and God didn't part the waters either. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> So, make up official looking department of health quarantine signs with some dreadfull sounding disease and post them the minute marauding evacuees start pouring past your home. If you know jesus, have him translate it into spanish too <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

Chris, I think you have indeed received divine guidance. It's a brilliant idea. The more official looking the signs are the better they'll work. I'd still back it up with some fire power though. If things get scary, there's nothing like the "kachunk - kachunk" sound of a pump shotgun to make your point. You don't have to fire a shot, just let them know that you're prepared to defend yourself and your posessions.

I shoot mostly double guns, but sometimes I haul out the old Winchester 97 just to hear that wonderful kachunk sound.

1) So what you're saying is NV has no real bottled water market, since water can't be sold?

2) If you ever needed to use justifiable deadly force to defend yourself or your property, burying the evidence probably woudn't work in your favor during the grand jury inquiry. It's a felony, you know...

How do you mean "what cases are those'?

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I like to help also, but my family comes first. If someone in an official capacity demanded my supplies, I am not sure how they would legally get them without a court order. Disaster or not the constitutional right to search, and seizure still holds. If forced I would probably respond with look, if I have something extra you amy have it, and I will get it to you. If pushed beyond taking care of my families needs, I would hope that I could get word outside of the containment area, and preferably to a media source. I would hope that I would never have to defend myself in this way, but I would rather live to face a jury (or die with my story known) than to watch my family perish because I let some ordained individual on a power high relieve my family of life supporting items.

How would all these theoretical officials even know you have anything?

Sue

WE've reiterated this point on a few different threads now, so let's repeat the mantra that we've developed.

Don't advertise that you are equipped to survive. Keep your supplies hidden and well secured. Be prepared to defend yourself and your property, as is your constitutional right.

Unless you hand it over, no one has the right to come into your home and seize property you are legally entitled to own and possess. No one. Not for any reason. Regulatory takings must be adjudicated and warranted prior to the action. This gives you foreknowledge of the intended confiscation, allowing you some opportunity to relocate, if possible. Worst case scenario, they come to take my stuff, they find it either a pile of ashes, mixed with something nasty, or otherwise rendered useless. If I am gonna share, it will be up to me, or no one gets it. It's almost as bad as them spending my money for me, oh wait, they're already doing that, aren't they?

If they don't know it is there, why would they think of asking you for it?

Why is it I feel like I am in a Mel Gibson movie?

At the very least, get a reciept. Last time I checked , "conspicously sotckpiled" items could be seized by the government, but compensation after the emergency was required. Of course you have to go to court to get your refund, and then you have judge say if you were hoarding or not.

But the same case law also says that they can not deprive you of items you need for your own survival.

The best analogy I can think of has to do with evacuation. If you are the ONLY person in a 14 person van, I would say that it would be fair to have you and your rig drafted to take out 10 or so people who have no vehicle of their own, and thier supplies. But as if I had space in my rig (four door, older sedan, and I'm single) for two people, and thier car was dead in traffic, 1) it goes out of traffic, and 2) they go in my backseat with thier critical supplies. The best entertainment example of what I'm trying to say is the old couple with the dead car in "Day of the Comet" (wow, that dates me, I rememebr watching that when it aired).