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#51473 - 10/08/05 04:33 PM Neighbors & sharing tools
TeacherRO Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
Here's a thought. Have your neighbors pool your tools in case of emergency: I'll share a generator, you'lll buy a chain saw, etc and so on.

Spreads out the expense, you get to meet your neighbors and maybe they'll start stocking water.

TRO

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#51474 - 10/08/05 06:32 PM Re: Neighbors & sharing tools
Fitzoid Offline
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Registered: 08/23/05
Posts: 289
Loc: WI, MA, and NYC
I can understand sharing a chainsaw, but if the power is out, are you really going to want to share a generator (and fuel)? I think I'd rather keep my refrigerator, freezer, and water pump going as long as possible.
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#51475 - 10/09/05 02:38 PM Re: Neighbors & sharing tools
Kuovonne Offline
Journeyman

Registered: 10/05/05
Posts: 71
Loc: Spring, TX
Depends on the neighbors and how long you expect the power to be out.

Even though Rita missed us, a string of our neighbors along one block were out of power for almost a week. One of them had a generator and gladly ran his neighbor's fridge & freezer off of it.

Even before the storm hit, when talking to a neighbor who had a generator, he volunteered that in the event of a long power outage, we could take the generator from house to house to run each neighbor's fridge and freezer for a little bit each day to keep things cold as long as we didn't open them.

-Kuovonne

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#51476 - 10/09/05 03:16 PM Re: Neighbors & sharing tools
TeacherRO Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
...or move all the food to one freezer/ fridge and keep it running. Better to share than to spoil.

tro

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#51477 - 10/09/05 11:07 PM When do you help and when do you hunker down?
Bugman37 Offline
journeyman

Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 66
During Hurricane Isabel my power went out along with probably 70% of the area. However, there were some areas that had power and so you could find gas. I helped people who didn't have power run their pumps so that they could water their animals. If however, there were no gas stations open, I'm not so sure that I would have been so generous. Where does helping one's neighbors stop and protecting yourself start and end?

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#51478 - 10/10/05 02:06 AM Re: When do you help and when do you hunker down?
CJK Offline
Addict

Registered: 08/14/05
Posts: 601
Loc: FL, USA
Weigh the consequences.....will it detract from protecting you and yours? Then I won't be that helpful...My family comes first. They teach it in medic school...I don't do anyone any good if I'm hurt....so you protect yourself first. The same for my family. Now that is not to say that if I had more than I needed I wouldn't give some up. Some of my neighbors know I have some 'stuff'. They have some too. I'd be willing to give up some of my stuff knowing that he'd be sharing with me too if either of us needed it. It all depends......

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#51479 - 10/10/05 02:09 AM Re: Neighbors & sharing tools
rodmeister Offline
new member

Registered: 03/23/02
Posts: 54
Loc: ca
A good idea, and would work under some milder circumstances, but don't depend on it. It's good to know who has what, but neighbors may be out of town, might bug out, or in desperate circumstances refuse to share. Be prepared to barter for something they might need - water for electricity, flashlights for food, etc.

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#51480 - 10/10/05 02:20 AM Re: When do you help and when do you hunker down?
Susan Offline
Geezer

Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
"Where does helping one's neighbors stop and protecting yourself start and end?"

I would think that depends on the particular situation. In the unlikely event that you have virtually unlimited quantities of something, you would probably want to share.

If you have a reasonably good supply of something, and take a good hard look at the situation and think it is short-term, again you may be inclined to share, at least with family, friends, neighbors.

But if you have 3 or 4 wks worth of supplies, and you're facing conditions that could last a while, would you want to put your family in jeopardy to help out people who didn't prepare because they thought their goverment would take care of them, or knew you would?

People make all kinds of stupid decisions. You aren't responsible for the decisions they make, and you aren't responsible for helping them to survive or live in comfort. Many/most Americans don't plan ahead, they don't take evacuation advice (or they don't take it in time), they wouldn't think of storing some food and water and blankets and a couple of 5-gal cans of gas. Then, when things go bad, they resort to whining and complaining that they aren't being taken care of.

Some people think of it as Mother Nature cleaning out the shallow end of the gene pool. Some people call it "survival of the fittest". If you can't make an effort to take care of yourself, why should someone else?

Sue

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#51481 - 10/10/05 02:56 PM Re: When do you help and when do you hunker down?
ki4buc Offline
Old Hand

Registered: 11/10/03
Posts: 710
Loc: Augusta, GA
This brings up a point... if you have made preperations for survival and can survive at your home, independent of anyone else, what happens if someone tries to steal your stuff? Will it be considered illegal to shoot and kill someone stealing your survival supplies? Stealing food isn't an "immident danger", but possibly "bodily harm", as a lack of water and food, you'll die.

I think I need to talk to my representative...

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#51482 - 10/10/05 03:25 PM Re: When do you help and when do you hunker down?
SheepDog Offline
Enthusiast

Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 232
Loc: Wild Wonderful WV
Very situational dependant!! During the hurricane my old boss did not take forceful action when someone took some of his gas out of his work truck because it was not worth shooting someone over and did not endanger his family.
But endanger his family and this most generous gentleman who has helped more people than anyone will ever know would defend those he loves with great skill. I don’t know if he can still shoot coins out of the air or not but a smart person would not bet their life on him loosing his skills just because he is getting a little older.
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