Bee, Andy's method is a good solution for a bad system. Please don't take this wrong, but your very terminology is giving me flashbacks and a sinking feeling <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Ships and boats take rope onboard for use. When it is put into use it is always called line. The front is the bow, the rear the stern. Again, please don't take this as sarcasm. I don't know if this is a plastic dingy on a lake or what <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> Please, get a basic book on smallcraft handling!