<img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> Oh, those evil rifles you mention. I agree, Ruger is a good bang for your buck choice, magazine fed, NATO round, etc. Agreed on the AR being suseptable to gunking up. Here's one to check out that LazerMonkey posted about in Around The CampFire, SU-16 made by Kel-Tec. Neat little rifle. You "Gun Nuts" are all the same. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />