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#47863 - 09/01/05 04:39 PM Email from Cliff
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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Registered: 02/09/01
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I sent an email to Cliff in Louisiana with no expectation of reply. Cliff replied this A.M. they are both O.K., no power, locals very fearfull of crime from the refugees: muggings, break ins etc. Cliff says it's surreal.

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#47864 - 09/01/05 04:42 PM Re: Email from Cliff
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Registered: 03/01/05
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Loc: Ohio
If there is anything I can do to help him let me know.

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#47865 - 09/01/05 05:02 PM Re: Email from Cliff
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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I just received a second email from his office. Any computer literates out there willing to receive an email and cut and paste to the forum?

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#47866 - 09/01/05 05:10 PM Re: Email from Cliff
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Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2997
Sure, send it on, my e-mail is in my profile on here.
I own my domain and mail server, I could set up a mailbox for him temporarially if he needs somewhere to send/receive e-mail with a web based interface (similar to gmail/hotmail)

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#47867 - 09/01/05 05:39 PM Re: Email from Cliff
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Sure, Chris, I'm game, even if I'm not always able to be super prompt. If my email isn't in my profile, it can be there in five minutes from now.

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#47868 - 09/01/05 06:37 PM Re: Email from Cliff
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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2203
Loc: Bucks County PA
Yeah, I can handle it. PM me.

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#47869 - 09/01/05 08:02 PM Re: Email from Cliff
Eugene Offline
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Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2997
Here you go.
Quote:

This morning, Fox News had a detailed helio flyover of the Lakeview neighborhood in New Orleans, where my parents and in-laws (used to) live. Oh, boy. Since the break in the 17th Street Canal was hust east of my parents home, we expected the worst. It appears that my parents house survived, but with water up to, or past the first floor. No sign of my in-laws house, which is (was) a single story. Several feet of water in St. Domnic's Church, and St. Paul's Chruch, too, on Harrison Avenue. A disaster. Ellen was in tears.

Still no power at home. Spent part of the the night at St. Luke's. We are taking in family members and new moms of the infants air-lifted to Women's Hospital, which is next door to St. Luke's. Giving them a warm bed, a cool room, food, and a sense that they are not alone. It sounds sappy, but a hug goes a long way when you are that shocked and disoriented. We got up early to make breakfast for them, and I'll be back to serve dinner.

Well, reports of looting and robbery have started here, too. Some of the New Orleans refugees who have made it here, especially those brought here to the River Center, are reportedly breaking into cars, breaking into downtown businesses, and robbing people at stores and gas stations. They are sending some government workers home early for their safety, and women are being told to not go to stores alone. A friend of my partner's wife was just carjacked. In a suburb. We are going to keep the office door locked, and at lunch I'm going home to get the Ruger and the speedloader. The "No Weapons At Work" rule is off at Group Novak for the time being. Suddenly, that 'ol Second Amendment is coming in reeeeeal handy. Good Christ, what have we come to??

If you want do do something to help out, the best thing to do is donate. Cash mostly. The Red Cross is crying for donations. We'll be setting up a PayPal account at the St Luke's Episcopal Church website to take donations that we will use in our mission to care for those who come to us. If you profess a faith, now would be a really, really good time to practice it - pray.

More later,

.....CLIFF

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#47870 - 09/01/05 08:08 PM Re: Email from Cliff
cliff Offline
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No need folks. Here is the reposte, mis-spellings and all, in order. To wit:



This morning, Fox News had a detailed helio flyover of the Lakeview neighborhood in New Orleans, where my parents and in-laws (used to) live. Oh, boy. Since the break in the 17th Street Canal was hust east of my parents home, we expected the worst. It appears that my parents house survived, but with water up to, or past the first floor. No sign of my in-laws house, which is (was) a single story. Several feet of water in St. Domnic's Church, and St. Paul's Chruch, too, on Harrison Avenue. A disaster. Ellen was in tears.

Still no power at home. Spent part of the the night at St. Luke's. We are taking in family members and new moms of the infants air-lifted to Women's Hospital, which is next door to St. Luke's. Giving them a warm bed, a cool room, food, and a sense that they are not alone. It sounds sappy, but a hug goes a long way when you are that shocked and disoriented. We got up early to make breakfast for them, and I'll be back to serve dinner.

Well, reports of looting and robbery have started here, too. Some of the New Orleans refugees who have made it here, especially those brought here to the River Center, are reportedly breaking into cars, breaking into downtown businesses, and robbing people at stores and gas stations. They are sending some government workers home early for their safety, and women are being told to not go to stores alone. A friend of my partner's wife was just carjacked. In a suburb. We are going to keep the office door locked, and at lunch I'm going home to get the Ruger and the speedloader. The "No Weapons At Work" rule is off at the office for the time being. Suddenly, that 'ol Second Amendment is coming in reeeeeal handy. Good Christ, what have we come to??

If you want do do something to help out, the best thing to do is donate. Cash mostly. The Red Cross is crying for donations. We'll be setting up a PayPal account at the St Luke's Episcopal Church website to take donations that we will use in our mission to care for those who come to us. If you profess a faith, now would be a really, really good time to practice it - pray.

More later,

.....CLIFF
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Cliff, Doug of all people has family in NO and received a rooftop cellphone call! my indian nieghbor got a text message frm a coworker/countryman in Lo asking for help. I'm calling the local CG emergency number with the info with Ravi Shankhar playing, curry boiling over and his high strung wife wailing about kali or something.they thought I was a hoax until I threw CG lingo at them. If you can, post on the site. It's really active because of this. Chris
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Where was his family (what neighborhood)? Where are they now?
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Doug has a policeman cousin who was stationed at a hospital, a second cousin on the roof with father and an aunt evacuated somewhere from a rest home .the aunts daughter is the mother/wife of the ones on the roof. Doug only said they were in the 9th ward. Everyone else evaced to texas. Cliff, shoot to kill.News reported some guy killed his own sister over a bag of ice. My black cajun friend is putting on a fundraiser. Clifton Chenier and gumbolya in earthquake and brushfire land.
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Chris:

Anything y'all can do, do. We appreciate it. As for Doug's family, let me know if any of them were evacuated to Baton Rouge.

More info on the radio about lawlessness here. Good God. But they are now talking about the Catholic Archbishop visiting the LSU Assembly Center (the "PMAC"), and the incredable faith and giving he is seeing. Good God. I can hear more heliocopters passing overhead - going to the State Emergency Preparedness Center nearby, or to Women's Hospital.

If you want to listen online, try www.wjbo.com.
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Cliff, All of Doug's family are o.k. and accounted for. Send online donation info when you can. If you need to, have a good cry. i did after the earthquake. Chris
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Good about Doug's family.

St. Luke's Episcoipal Church in Baton Rouge has sent up a hurrucane relief fund for use in our relief mission. I am told that, in addition, we will will be one of the point churches in the Episcopal Diocise for dispensing relief funds. We have set up a PayPal site, so if you want to donate, go to www.stlukesbr.org and hit the "make a Donation" button on the homepage. If you want to post a link at ETS, go right ahead.

As for having a good cry, I can't. Not now. It's like 9/11 times 100. I remember watching the towers fall on TV. I am an architect; I understood the mechanics of what I was seeing, I understood the physics, and I understood the historic import. Left brain on track. But the right brain put a fillabuster on the whole issue. For weeks. The same thing is happening here.

I am now being told that the reports of rioting and looting in downtown Baton Rouge were "exaggerated". I can believe that. But I do have two first-hand reports of robbery and car-jacking today.



Hope you don't mind, Chris.







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#47871 - 09/02/05 03:36 AM Re: Email from Cliff
AyersTG Offline
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Registered: 12/10/01
Posts: 1272
Loc: Upper Mississippi River Valley...
Hang in there, Cliff. We've been praying for all the affected folks and had you and your family specifically in our prayers.

Tom

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#47872 - 09/02/05 03:31 PM Re: Email from Cliff
TeacherRO Offline
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Registered: 03/11/05
Posts: 2574
When the mail re-starts, can we get stuff to him?

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#47873 - 09/02/05 04:01 PM Re: Email from Cliff
cliff Offline
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Registered: 05/12/01
Posts: 271
Loc: Louisiana
Tom, I think that is the shortest post you have ever made to ETS. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

And one of the most touching.

Again, thank all of you for the support. Like I said before, I am fine. It is the people coming out of New Orleans, Slidell, Gulfport and Biloxi that we now see every day that need our help. And a lot of it.

.....CLIFF

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#47874 - 09/02/05 04:08 PM 2 September
cliff Offline
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Loc: Louisiana
Friday, 2 September

Still no power at home, so our morning routine of bathing and dressing in the near-dark is becoming rather, well, routine. Not a complaint, mind you - there are thousands who have no home to have power at - but we are getting used to our dabbling in Amish-ness.

More folks trickled in to St. Luke's last night - some from Women's Hospital; some just showed up looking for a place to stay. We now have about 20 housed in various church offices and meeting rooms full time, and several staying with parishoners who have power. One family reported being turned away from another local church before coming to St. Luke's, because of fears about the unrest here in Baton Rouge (more about that later) Served "Continental Breakfast" this AM for everybody.

One of the families we are housing lived in Lakeview, mid-way between my parent's house and my in-laws. They were evacuated out day before last, in a boat down West End. They said that my parents house was still standing, and that the water did not appear to have reached the second floor. Hopeful news. Now, let's see if we can get back there before the looters.....

Overnight, our little cow-town of Baton Rouge has become the largest city in Louisiana. Due to the influx of people, everything is running short, including tempers. But the stores do seem to be getting resupplied, though gasoline, ice and bread will mean a looooong wait in line. There are no hotel rooms available, and the apartment stock has pretty well dried up. Realtors tell me that homes are selling fast, as people realize that they may be here for months, or for good. Commercial space is also, I am told, getting scarce, as New Orleans business try to get up and running again. I have heard several reports of people saying that they, and/or their businesses, will stay here and not go back. Boom time for Baton Rouge, though I wish it were under different circumstances.

Now, about the "unrest" here in Baton Rouge. The initial news reports about the near rioting downtown, the looting, the robberies and the carjackings have been loudly denied by the local authorities. Too loudly, for my tastes. The City, for all it's insistance about business as usual, closed all of it's offices downtown until Tuesday, and SWAT teams are patrolling the streets. When the plain-spoken Fred Rayford is parsing his words and evading questions, well...... I know of two people who have been either robbed at a gas station or carjacked, and one of our volunteers at church, who works downtown, claims she witnessed an incident on North Boulevard and saw the results of the looting. My take is that SOME incidents are happening, but not to the extent claimed in the initial news reports. We will still be cautious, lock our doors, and exercise that Second Amendment thing.

More later,

.....CLIFF

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#47875 - 09/02/05 04:14 PM Re: Email from Cliff
cliff Offline
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Registered: 05/12/01
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Loc: Louisiana
Mail still works. I mean, my monthy bills keep showing up. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

And no, I don't mean to imply that I need financial help. Doing fine there, now that the banks got reopened.

In the greater scheme of things, I'm sitting pretty. I got a roof over my head (and it's my own roof), my family is safe, and I got work. It's the thousands coming out of the affected areas that need the help.

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#47876 - 09/02/05 08:54 PM Re: 2 September
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Fair winds and calm waters, Cliff. Sounds like you have your plan in action.

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#47877 - 09/04/05 05:12 PM E-mail from Cliff - 3 September
cliff Offline
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Registered: 05/12/01
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Loc: Louisiana
Saturday 3 September

Several more people dribbled in last night and today; some from from Women's Hospital, and some just from off the steeet. More horror stories of the looting in New Orleans. Christ. We fed 'em and found a place for them to stay. It's starting to get crowded.

Have received more clothes and food stuffs. Our parish hall looks like a Dollar General store. Many folks come in, and we tell them to take what they need. It is on the honor system, and most (if not all) do only take what they need.

I didn't stay last night, but came back this AM. When I got there, someone had already made biscuits and had breakfast going. We are going to have to redo the sleeping arrangements in order to accomidate the 150 or so temporary students that the Day School is taking in. They need several of our rooms for classrooms, so we are going to put dividers up in the fellowship hall and the library and make that the dormatorry and day room. The family in the Bride's room will stay put. Everyone took it in stride. We also turned off the TV. No sense in being bombarded with the horrors you just went through, or are facing.

A quick word about the reporting from New Orleans. It sucks. It sucks big. So much has been incorrectly reported, blown out of perportion, or just plain hyped to fill air time. Get Heraldo, Williams and the like out of there. Or better yet - TURN THEM OFF!

We are feeding dinner to the people staffing the new calling center the State has set up for the Emergency Operations Office. Last night hamburgers for 65. Doing it again tonight.

The Emergency Operations Center is just a few blocks from St. Luke's, at the Department of Public Safety (DPS) campus. My office has a project in that campus, but it has been put on hold for a while. The DPS campus is abuzz with activity - trucks, vans and HUMVEES from all sorts of agencies, and heliocopters of all types. Large, event-sized tents are being erected for additional space.

We helped many of our evacuees (I hate to call them refugees...) who needed to file paperwork with FEMA, the Social Security Office, their banks, etc., get to those offices. Parishioners shuttled them round and waited with them The wait was, well.... lengthy.

Had a group from California who went to Texas, bought relief supplies, and drove them to Baton Rouge. Someone had a connection to St. Luke's Episcopal, so they came here. Showed up with two SUV's worth. Amazing, this Faith thing.

We sent a trailer loaded with food and several hundred gallons of bottled water with two priests from St. James Baton Rouge, who were going to Washington Parish. Thousands there without any utilities, they said. They got back later in the evening, with a list of more supplies needed.

To all who have contributed to the relief effort.... thank you. Thank you so very much.

Got power at the house today, courtesy of power crews from Michigan! A good thing, as the house was beginning to reek and we really needed to wash clothes. Since we have power, we brought several evacuees back to the house to shower. St. Luke's has no useable shower facilities, alas.

More later,

.....CLIFF

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