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#47818 - 09/01/05 09:27 AM Personal protection while travelling by air.
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In the UK personal protection is low on the list of rights that the public have, relying on improvised tools when confronted by an assailant. While we are all aware of how little useful equipment the general public are allowed to travel with when flying on commercial airlines, I am wondering if anyone knows of any good items that can be used for self defence and will be allowed through by security. Even flashlights, lighters and keys are being treat with 'High Risk' status.

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#47819 - 09/01/05 10:31 AM Re: Personal protection while travelling by air.
Reddave Offline
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Registered: 02/06/05
Posts: 50
To be perfectly honest, if you are carrying a gun and don't know where the safety catch is, then its about as much use as a stone. You have to train in the skill that your protection allows. Here in UK virtually nothing is allowed so I looked at womens self defence as opposed to a martial art.
Did get strange looks from the girlies when a 15 stone guy walked in, but they liked my logic that if they could learn how to disarm/disable an aggressive guy, then I would fare better as I was a bit stronger than them.
Now the class gets to defend against an aggressive attacker far heavier than themselves and I get to learn to defend with the minimum of effort.
One pointer though.... I go to a jujitsu club that teaches self defence rather than others, as usually if you disarm someone they WILL rush you and go to the floor. So grappling is your next winning point.
Please don't post telling me about the virtues and vices of a particular art, I respect them all for what they teach you mentally and spiritually, I just like the ability to defend at long and short range as opposed to having to attack.
In summary, they cant prohibit taking your limbs on board so basically thats your weapons... learn to use them.
Even better is to turn and run or else talk your way out. the best blocking technique is them not throwing the punch

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#47820 - 09/03/05 07:33 AM Re: Personal protection while travelling by air.
Raspy Offline
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Registered: 01/08/04
Posts: 351
Loc: Centre Hall Pa
Assorted improvised weapons

The thing to remember about improvised weapons is they are just that. Weapons are created from objects that come to hand. Remember if you construct a weapon example the length of hose filled with nuts and bolts or the old biker trick of a belt made of chain that is worn outside the belt loops and the police become involved it's still a weapon and you may go to jail.

If on the other hand use what comes to hand in self-defense it's not a weapon. The object is merely something you picked up. Now if you do want to carry a concealed improvised weapon construct something that appears normal but is effective.

Example a small leather draw string pouch filled with change. This is merely your way of carrying change the makes one heck of a blackjack. If equipped with longer strings as a flail.

Loose change or a change purse can be thrown as a distraction. The loose change will thrown at the face will cause anyone to duck aside and raise their hands to protect the eyes. Giving you a few seconds to gain a couple of extra steps to flee or an opening to attack. A change purse about the size of a fist is the same as a rock. Traveling at 30 or 40 miles an hour can definitely leave an impression.

Also a can of cayenne pepper with a loose lid. The active ingredient in cayenne pepper is the ingredient used in pepper spray. This is if pepper spray is illegal in your area. A face full of cayenne will drop almost anyone. Home made pepper spray. Cayenne in alcohol out of a squeeze bottle.

There is always the can of coke in a sock for the frequent flyer. Or if you are worried about the metal can a water bottle works just as well. What screener would disallow a common pack as a carry on with a change of cloths including fresh socks and a plastic bottle full of water? Combined makes a decent black jack.

A tightly rolled magazine is a stick. What is paper made out of, “wood” of course?

Canes or hiking staff are self-explanatory. You have a weak knee so need the support.

Take a cap. The old fashion flat driving hats work best. Place several ounces of lead sinkers in the back. Add a small bag of hooks and some fishing line. Hey it is emergency fishing tackle. Grabbed by the bill and slapped smartly across the face of an assailant. Said person will be very surprised when they wake up.

A roll of change held in the fist. It is just spare change. But it definitely increases the impact. A double A mini flashlight can serve the same function. When using these types of items the most effective strike is to hit like a hammer so the hand load hits. A straight punch can hurt the fingers.

Does anyone remember the old Bic commercial where they fired the pen out of a rifle through a pine board? Sure the plastic shattered but the point remained intact. You now have a stabbing weapon.

Then along the same lines are the rat tailed combs and brushes. They can poke quit a nasty hole. And does any of the older crowd remember the fro picks from the 60’s and 70’s. Back then there were places that outlawed them as a concealed weapon, especially the metal tined ones, because they were being used effectively as one.

A 12-inch steel drafting ruler makes a nasty slashing weapon. Two things don’t sharpen or wrap part of it as a handle. Both scream a prepared weapon. You are slashing not slicing. Add some graph or drawing paper to your clipboard along with drawing or drafting pencils as cover. Not sure but it should get on a plane. It would be a toss up.

A clipboard can be used as a shield to deflect an attack. It can also be used to strike edge on.

The list could go on and on. The ideal concealed weapon is not a weapon at all. Just a common ordinary object that can be used as such. So forget the fancy ninja and oriental fighting weapons. Most of those were common everyday farm implements not weapons back then. With the exception of the cap fishing kit and the homemade pepper spray all are normal but effective tools.

These are objects that you could carry among many others. Then there are environmental objects to consider. These can be found anywhere from the country to the city. All it really takes is the proper mindset to realize their potential. It truly amazes me that airport screening is so concerned about such trivial things like nail clippers. The world is full of weapons you jut have to reach out and use them.

Most government buildings where the rules are the strictest are loaded. Most have those lightweight plastic and bent rod chairs. You could easily beat someone silly with them. Now days almost every place has drop ceilings. T shaped tracks made of metal supports these. While the main runners are long the cross supports usually 2 or 4 feet long. They are not real heavy so don’t hit like a baseball bat they will cause some damage because of speed. The ends are somewhat pointy and could be used as a stabbing weapon.

Rocks, bottles, chunks of bricks, whatever as impact or thrown weapons.

A piece of pipe or a stick is rather obvious.

A trash can lid is both a defensive device and a weapon. Back in the days of the knights of old the shield number one job was to deflect the opponents weapons but was also used effectively to bash flat into someone or smash with the edge. While the old metal can lids are the best especially when turned to offensive strikes the plastic ones will deflect a strike.

The next time you are sitting around cooling your heels waiting for an appointment take a couple of minutes and look around. What is lying about loose and how it could be used. What can you pry from the walls or ceiling that could be used to slash, poke or swat with. Or the same walking down the street. After a few times of doing this deliberately it is amazing how easily it becomes seeing the myriad of objects that surround you that can be used to protect yourself.

Remember anything you deliberately carried for self-defense as long as it has a legitimate purpose the police can ignore it as a weapon. But if it appears to be a contrived weapon you could be in a whole lot of trouble. Do not fancy up or improve the object to make it more lethal. Learn how to use it effectively as it comes out of the box. If it screams weapon you will be looked on as the aggressor not the victim. If you win you will be looked at hard enough as it is. In this current PC world they will give the poor unfortunate criminal the benefit of the doubt. You as the victim defending yourself is considered in a bad light to begin with throw in a weapon or anything prepared as a WEAPON. Well you get the picture. Learn to use the world around you.

Remember C. Y. A. just in case.
_________________________
When in danger or in doubt
run in circles scream and shout
RAH

And always remember TANSTAAFL

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#47821 - 09/03/05 06:04 PM Re: Personal protection while travelling by air.
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
Carpal Tunnel

Registered: 02/09/01
Posts: 3824
Virtually everything mentioned has allready been looked at by worldwide security. Assume you only have your wits and your body, because someday you will. You allready have the perfect defense weapon in ju jitsu. Just make sure your sensai understands this is for the real world and not a judo match. My zen roshi knew and taught the difference, to the humiliation of a young multiple black belt and grand national japanese champion and a biker type in one afternoon.


Edited by Chris Kavanaugh (09/03/05 06:06 PM)

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