We were having a party out in the woods (I know, I know). Anyway, we wanted a fire so one of the other guys went to get wood and set it up. He actually tried getting it started by holding his lighter on a roughly thumb thickness stick and throwing it in the pile. It really shocks you sometimes when you realize how little of a clue some people have. If only everyone could go through a basic survival course. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />