The reason I'm here has to do with knowledge. When I was 12 yrs. old I spent my first night out in the woods with nothing on me. No food, water, shelter, or protection. When I was 14 I hiked 26 miles to a beaver pond in the middle of nowhere and spent 7 days living off the land. I hunted with a .22 rifle, Ate fish from the beaver pond each morning. And had a ball doing it. The only problem was that my Kelty external frame pack weighed more than 70 pounds. So in 2 years I went from nothing to 70 pounds of chit in a sack so I could live in the outdoors. Since then I've been able to wittle that down to a little over 10 pounds plus my .17 HMR. That's for a week in the woods. No food or water. I can get it down to less but I like to be comfortable. However, you girls and boys are feeding me more info about traveling light and I think, that with your help, I will be able to live in light comfort. As far as a true survival situation goes I haven't really given it much thought. I'm not in a high risk area. But things that I've read are still in the back of my mind. I'm very impressed with the amount of info on this site. Doug does good work.