http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050813/ts_nm/security_airports_dc

Comments? Opinions? Too early to tell?

Wow. It's actually not April 1st. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

This would be great if some common sense returned. It's about time for it... Coming up on 4 years since 9/11. Just allowing pocket knives and P-38s would be a relief.

I know several people who'd love for a security clearance to act as a "don't frisk me" card. I don't know how you'd prove it at the gate, though.

Gack. There's no way those government guys should get special privileges in airports. Let them deal with the same hassles they put the rest of us through. Some ultra-VIP's like the POTUS get special transportation (Air Force One) but the rest should not become some kind of elite that gets waved through airports while the rest of us get "your papers please".

I read this:

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Airline Security Changes Planned
Threats Reassessed To Make Travel Easier for Public

By Sara Kehaulani Goo
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 13, 2005; A01

The new head of the Transportation Security Administration has called for a broad review of the nation's air security system to update the agency's approach to threats and reduce checkpoint hassles for passengers.

Edmund S. "Kip" Hawley, an assistant secretary of homeland security, directed his staff to propose changes in how the agency screens 2 million passengers a day. The staff's first set of recommendations, detailed in an Aug. 5 document, includes proposals to lift the ban on various carry-on items such as scissors, razor blades and knives less than five inches long. It also proposes that passengers no longer routinely be required to remove their shoes at security checkpoints.

Agency officials plan to meet this month to consider the proposals, which would require Hawley's approval to go into effect.

Since his confirmation in June, Hawley has told his staff that he would reevaluate security measures put in place since the terrorist attacks in 2001 and ensure that they make sense, given today's threats. The TSA is struggling with new cuts in the screener workforce imposed by Congress while its new leaders hope to improve the agency's poor reputation among air travelers by introducing more customer-friendly measures. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff signaled the effort when he announced that the agency would eliminate a requirement that forced passengers to remain in their seats during the first and last 30 minutes of flights using Reagan National Airport.

"The process is designed to stimulate creative thinking and challenge conventional beliefs," said TSA spokesman Mark O. Hatfield Jr. "In the end, it will allow us to work smarter and better as we secure America's transportation system."

The TSA memo proposes to minimize the number of passengers who must be patted down at checkpoints. It also recommends that certain categories of passengers be exempt from airport security screening, such as members of Congress, airline pilots, Cabinet members, state governors, federal judges, high-ranking military officers and people with top-secret security clearances.

The proposal also would allow ice picks, throwing stars and bows and arrows on flights. Allowing those items was suggested after a risk evaluation was conducted about which items posed the most danger.

If approved, only passengers who set off walk-through metal detectors or are flagged by a computer screening system will have to remove their shoes at security checkpoints. The proposal also would give security screeners the discretion to ask certain passengers "presenting reasonably suspicious behavior or threat characteristics" to remove their shoes.

The proposal also would give screeners discretion in determining whether to pat down passengers. For example, screeners would not have to pat down "those persons whose outermost garments closely conform to the natural contour of the body."

The memo also calls for a new formula to replace the set of computer-screening rules that select passengers for more scrutiny. Currently, the system commonly flags passengers who book one-way tickets or modify travel plans at the last minute. The new TSA plan would give TSA managers assigned to each major airport the authority to de-select a passenger who has been picked out by a computer system.

Some security analysts praised the agency's proposal, saying that security screeners spend too much time trying to find nail scissors and not enough time focused on today's biggest threat: a suicide bomber boarding an airplane. The TSA has very limited capability to detect explosives under a person's clothing, for example, and is trying to roll out more high-tech machines that can protect against such threats.

K. Jack Riley, a homeland security expert at Rand Corp., said hardened cockpit doors, air marshals and stronger public vigilance will prevent another 9/11-style hijacking. "Frankly, the preeminent security challenge at this point is keeping explosives off the airplane," Riley said. The TSA's ideas, he said, "recognize the reality that we know that air transportation security has changed post-9/11. Most of these rules don't contribute to security."

Douglas R. Laird, former head of security for Northwest Airlines, said the proposal was a step backward. Laird said exempting certain categories of passengers from security screening would be dangerous because trusted groups have occasionally abused the privilege. "In an effort to be customer friendly, they're forgetting that their primary requirement is to keep airplanes safe," Laird said. "Either you screen everybody or why screen anybody?"

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My diagnosis: Too soon to tell. EVERYTHING revolves around money, however, and if the TSA is being strangled for funds or staff, there's no telling where this mess is going to end up.

-- Craig

The problem is that the TSA "agent" still operates inside of thier own "discression". Well, they've been discretely groping and stealing and harrassing for a couple of years. You'll have to fire the entire lot and bring in totally new blood to get rid of the insanity.

The funny part is they want to now allow knives under 5" long. I think that's great but in Boston (where I live), you can't carry a blade longer than 2.5", so I'm trying to figure out how this would work out.

If you took a 3" blade to the airport, would they first let you through security with it and then arrest you afterwards for carrying it in the first place? <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Anyway, it's good to hear someone is thinking about relaxing all these silly restrictions. Unfortunately, I doubt they'll have much luck.

I think the 5" limit means the whole knife including the handle. A 5" blade is a large knife and it would amaze me if they allowed that on board.

If I remember correctly, the pre-9/11 limit was a 3" blade, with no reference to the overall length of the knife. Perhaps it makes more sense to talk about overall knife length, because there are some 5" folders with almost 5" blades, which would give you a 10" monster... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I remember being told pre-9/11 that I couldn't take my leatherman on an airplane so when were the rules this relaxed?

I took a leatherman on a plane back in the 90's.

I remember looking into taking a knife with me, pre 9/11. Even then there were complaints that the standards were not very well defined. One story I do remember was about a guy trying to take a knife through security. One guard held it up, showed it was longer than "three fingers" and refused to let it pass. The guy left, came back through a different line, and had no trouble.

Pre 911 I had no trouble taking my SAK and Multitool on the bird. It was always easier if it was in the 'bottom' of my carry on and with 'other' stuff rather than on my belt or in my pocket...but it always made it through without any problem. I'll be happy just to have the little SAK classic back.

It's about time they relax a little bit at the border... As a canadian, i'm getting slightly pissed off by these extreme measures and questionning when all I want to do is go enjoy a burger at Wendy's and a few american cigarettes, when i'm 20-minutes away from the (border) state of Vermont.

I used to take a Leatherman on flights all the time before 9/11. In fact, once in a while I would carry sharp technical gear, e.g., an ice axe, crampons, etc., in a carry-on backpack without any problems at all.

I like the mention of possibly allowing "throwing stars." What a crack up!

Maybe they figure if most passengers are packing knives and razors, the terrorists will have to think twice about a hijacking.

Overall, it's nice to see that the TSA is at least considering changes. Whatever those finally work out to be.

I'd be real surprised if they allowed me to carry on my compound bow, let alone shuriken. This has got to mean checked baggage only, right?

My memories of pre 9/11 flights are blurry but where you ever allowed folding knives on the plane? I seem to remember that at JFK I was always told to give them up.

Lighters, box cutters and scissors not really but knives yes.

I remember my boss specifically warning me not to carry a knife (an Old Timer slipjoint) on board before a flight to Dallas in 1993. Sounds like it was a lot more random back then, but somebody must have been putting out the word.

Regards, Vince

Flying from the west coast, I used to carry my SAK in my carry-on bag. Sometimes even two of them.

No one ever raised an eyebrow, and I was never patted down or questioned.

Knives were always allowed on planes. At the very least, they could be gate-checked and placed in a lock box, to be returned at the end of the flight.

I sincerely hope these new rules go into effect. It's about time for at least some of our freedoms to be returned to us. I resent having to give up my survival items when flying. They are there to ensure I have at least some gear in the event of a crash.

They said throwing stars, not shuriken. I'm guessing no one will be able to easily carry a couple million cubic miles of plasma and hydrogen without having the stews watch them closely.

Shuriken on the other hand... those are carried by sneaky ninja. Any one being sneaky on an airplane must be bad, no matter what Hatsumi-soke says. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I always carried a small folder with me, never had a problem (pre-9/11). I'd put it in the dish with my keys. I understood the rule to be 2 inches, but I never saw that in print.

I also know a federal LEO who could usually walk through the scanner without it going off on his gun.
(Disclaimer - I never saw this happen but my wife did.)