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#46360 - 08/17/05 01:17 PM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice requested
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#46361 - 08/17/05 02:12 PM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice requested
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If you live in an area that is so unsafe that you are afraid, on a daily basis, that someone might take "you or your wife", I would seriously consider moving.

Living in constant fear might lead to serious health problems, mental or physical. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#46362 - 08/18/05 03:13 AM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice requested
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Yeah, tell me about it.

Got any other advice I can pass on to my Iraqi friends here? I'm sure they would all like to be somewhere else right now.
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#46363 - 08/18/05 08:13 AM Re: and now the serious reply:
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I carry some spectra cord in my kit. It is strong and light weigh and you should be able to improvise various things with it.


ive never heard of spectra cord until now, is it better the 550 paracord?
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#46364 - 08/18/05 03:02 PM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice request
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Here's an item to consider for your BOB. Remember Ron Popeil on TV years ago hawking his Popeil Pocket Fisherman. It is still available and will easily fit in your pack. Comes with reel, line, bobber, etc. and has room for storing more in the handle. Available at:

http://wonderfulbuys.com/popfish.asp
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#46365 - 08/18/05 03:13 PM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice request
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Well, the URL I posted above on the pocket fisherman won't open. Try this one. The item is on sale for $23.95 plus S&H.
Take a look. It looks like a great item to go in a small space.

http://www.digitalkitchenstore.com/pf103.html (This URL works).
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#46366 - 08/18/05 03:22 PM Re: and now the serious reply:
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ive never heard of spectra cord until now, is it better the 550 paracord?


Spectra is a very low stretch fiber. It's useful in situations where low stretch is desired. For fishing, you can feel the fishes nibbling on your bait a lot better. For stunt kite flying, you get better control. For sail handling, you don't have to re-trim the sails as much when the wind strength changes.

However, it doesn't take knots very well. When I use it for my stunt kites, I put a sleeve and a loop on the end to tie it to the kite. I'm sure fisherman do something similar.

Paracord is much more versatile. You can take it apart and use the inner strands for other things. And for most things, a bit of stretch helps make it stronger by cushioning loads when they hit the end. And you can tie knots in it without reducing the strength.
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#46367 - 08/18/05 04:23 PM Re: and now the serious reply:
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<img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Excellent answer!!! I concur wholeheartedly.

Dacron line/cord is pretty darned good stuff, too. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#46368 - 08/18/05 06:55 PM Re: and now the serious reply:
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Spectra is a very low stretch fiber. It's useful in situations where low stretch is desired. For fishing, you can feel the fishes nibbling on your bait a lot better. For stunt kite flying, you get better control. For sail handling, you don't have to re-trim the sails as much when the wind strength changes.

However, it doesn't take knots very well. When I use it for my stunt kites, I put a sleeve and a loop on the end to tie it to the kite. I'm sure fisherman do something similar.

Paracord is much more versatile. You can take it apart and use the inner strands for other things. And for most things, a bit of stretch helps make it stronger by cushioning loads when they hit the end. And you can tie knots in it without reducing the strength.


Note while non-stretch stuff certainly won't take knots as well as something that stretches, the braided Spectra (reference the link I provided, above) takes knots much better than the solid core stuff. I really haven't had a problem in that respect with this stuff.

I also think that part of the knot holding issue is how tighly the core is bundled. The Technora stuff I have is packed SUPER tight and I think that is part of the problem. The braided Spectra cord is not packed tightly.

I find the low melting point a good thing because I like to melt the ends to prevent fraying. I have some 3mmTtechnora cord and that stuff doesn't melt and is a real pain the rear to keep it from unraveling.

Spectra is also very light, doesn't absorb water and floats.

The braided cord can be unbraided if you want smaller strands.

I think the cord I linked to is just as flexible as paracord and is rated for something like 1200 lbs. Even if you reduce that by 60% you are still looking at something like 480 lbs.

I'm not familiar with the Dacron line, but I plan on checking it out.

-john

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#46369 - 08/20/05 05:57 AM Re: Building an Urban Survival Kit, advice request
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Dan on building an Urban Kit wrote this article.

http://www.equipped.org/ubbthreads/showf...=true#Post42705

I am currently writing a follow up and more in depth article. I'm slow so it takes a while.
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