Recon, I understand what yu are saying about the utiloity of two multitools re. bound nuts & such. I got tired of bulk, and picked up for a whopping $6.00 a pair of Craftsman ignition point pliers [really little channel locks - but with great range]. Of course, nobody but gear heads know what ignitiion points are anymore, and I could never find any use for them when workingupon my ignition points, but there you are.