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#45527 - 08/01/05 12:32 AM Test your equipment part 2
Polak187 Offline
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You guys know how much I was raving about Inova 24/7. I now have about 4 of their lights since I was sick of changing stuff between my PFD, work gear, bike gear and personal light. Only my work light was tested all around. I went kayaking this weekend and took a dive of my boat around midnight and my 24/7 went blank. I had another emergency strobe but I really needed just a location light to see where I am. When next morning I took apart my light the entire battery compartment was filled with water. Hmmmm I know that their manual says not to use it as a diving light but does it mean that it is also not submersible? If I can't get it to work again I will have a matching paper weight to first 24/7 that failed me. Not cool. Not cool at all.
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#45528 - 08/01/05 02:55 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Loc: Florida
That sucks.

It does, however, reinforce a personal obsession of mine.. everything I EDC is waterproof. My watch, my lights, etc. Everything except the contents of my wallet, and if I could find a waterproof wallet, I'd get it.

I don't intend to take my EDC stuff diving, but it's nice to know that if I get caught in the rain, have to wade through water, etc, it'll be ok. For sure, anything I took into the wild would be waterproof, not water resistant. I figure, if it's dive rated it'll be more than good enough on the surface.


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#45529 - 08/01/05 03:06 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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According to this review the 24/7 is "waterproof". I guess I better go test my X5s. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#45530 - 08/01/05 03:10 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Loc: Seattle, WA

Hey Matt,

Optimal solution would probably be an HDS EDC light, but a Glo-Toob FX might be worth considering.

While not multi-function, the Gerber Infinity Ultra would be a good thing to have on hand. Very rugged, esp. if you can find the old design, or the Ultra-G version. All versions are quite waterproof. I tend to keep these around with lithium batteries as a backup.

The Arc AAA also falls into this catagory. With a lithum cell they make a great backup light.

Boating, I think I'd consider having a UK 2L on hand, maybe with the eLED module. The UK 2L is very rugged and very waterproof.

-john

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#45531 - 08/01/05 03:14 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Oh, you might try flushing the light out with fresh water (distilled is best) and let dry. There probably isn't anything in there hot enough to have thermal failure and so it's probably just the salt water goofing things up.

Of course, if it is supposed to be waterpoof, Inova should fix it for you.

-john

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#45532 - 08/01/05 05:57 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Please do not shoot me for treason but a Mini Mag is great as a back up light and I have not had one fail on me in the water. I say this with some reservation any thoughts?
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#45533 - 08/01/05 06:12 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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I've had various issues with Maglites, and while typically taking them apart and tweaking them a bit (typically involving sandpaper) will get them going again, this has happened far to often to select them for a critical need. I think a lot of this may be from the aluminum (inside) and springs oxidizing. Perhaps this is more of an issue here in the Pacific Northwest (cool, moist air), but on the water (esp. salt water) is going to be a tough environment. I also think their waterproofing is hit or miss.

All in all, why take the chance. I'd take a UK 2L over a mini-mag in this environment any day and the 2L will take a LOT more abuse and a LOT more water.

-john

Edit: I don't have one, but the Tekna Splash-Lite LS looks like a great water safe backup light.


Edited by JohnN (08/01/05 06:16 AM)

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#45534 - 08/01/05 11:46 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Well this is my point. I want things to be waterproof just in case. There is specialized diving equipment out there that I will be more than happy to utilize for that task. I just expect stuff to live up to company specs. Such as I know my light is waterproof so this is one less thing to worry about and I dont have to test it.
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#45535 - 08/01/05 11:55 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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John,

I have Krill lights for markers and I have a glo-tube somewhere which I cant manage to operate. I'm also a big fan of arc either if it is their aaa or ls or a4. My entire point was that we take some specs for granted and when something happens and equipment fails it may cost you your life. I should not have to test my equipment when manual states that it can do specific task.

Reason I prefer 24/7 for my personal floatation device light is becasue it can work as a deck light, has a distress signal, warning signal, strobe mode and red light for night vision... it also has a "find me mode" so I can mark my gear and find it in the dark.
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#45536 - 08/01/05 01:24 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
Eugene Offline
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I've had a couple damaged in water, of course that water was in my washing machine at the time <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The 2AAA in my pocket now requires a shake or two to get it to turn on after washing and drying it (I;m surprised the batteries survived the heat)

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#45537 - 08/01/05 02:17 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Tekna seems to be on a comeback after a ong absence. I had the predecessor to that light light, and it was great. It was good to 50-60 feet, for sure. They used to make some really inovative gear.

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#45538 - 08/01/05 03:19 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
groo Offline
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Loc: Florida
Quote:
I just expect stuff to live up to company specs. Such as I know my light is waterproof


Quoting from Inova's own product description:

Ultrasonically-sealed polymer construction and recessed lamp design qualify the shockproof, water resistant 24/7 for extreme environments. (Emphasis mine)

Water resistant usually means it'll take a "splash", but not necessarily even partial submersion. I remember reading this somewhere, but don't have a reference handy... That's why I always try to get stuff specified as water proof, preferably with a depth rating, the deeper the bettter.


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#45539 - 08/01/05 04:00 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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well water resistant is definiately not water proof. there goes that myth which is strange since the one I used for work seems to take frequent dunking and works like a charm...
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#45540 - 08/01/05 05:36 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Quote:
water resistant is definiately not water proof

Yes, you can bet on it .... it is NOT....
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#45541 - 08/02/05 01:57 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Not treason. I carry one in my daily bag, and one in my car, both with high intensity bulbs. Good loaer/trade/scrounger light.

The reason I don't carry one on my belt anymore is I'm sick of blowing bulbs just by banging something too hard with my hip- they are NOT shockproof.

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#45542 - 08/02/05 02:34 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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I am a huge fan of Princeton Tec lights. The Attitude (LED) and Blast (Halogen) are two good handheld that are submersible and cheap. Just my 2 pesos.

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#45543 - 08/02/05 04:59 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Put an LED conversion in it. Entirely shockproof. Infinite bulb life, long battery life -- 7 hours. Go to www.terralux.com.

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#45544 - 08/02/05 08:44 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Randjack, did you get that link right?

I've looked at MiniMag conversions. I suppose part of why I haven't gone with them is I'm lazy. To be accurate, I deal with computers and electronics all day. That last thing I want to do at the end of the day is write code or dig out the soldiering iron. :P A lot of the conversions that I found last time I looked (it was a while ago) weren't drop in modules, but take apart the switch and play with it until it works modules.


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#45545 - 08/02/05 09:08 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Just get an Opelec module. Those are drop in, as long as you've got a fairly recent (<5 years?) model maglite.
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#45546 - 08/02/05 09:39 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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I foud this push butten + LED . I e-mailed zbattery and asked if the kit retained the waterproofing. I think the water proofing will be fine.
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#45547 - 08/03/05 12:03 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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They have several drop in models. The one for either AA or AAA took maybe two minutes, including a stubborn retaining ring for the reflector. There is nothing to indicate polarity so I had to turn the module around.

TerraLux

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#45548 - 08/03/05 02:52 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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I've looked at MiniMag conversions. I suppose part of why I haven't gone with them is I'm lazy. To be accurate, I deal with computers and electronics all day. That last thing I want to do at the end of the day is write code or dig out the soldiering iron. :P A lot of the conversions that I found last time I looked (it was a while ago) weren't drop in modules, but take apart the switch and play with it until it works modules.



Looks pretty drop in!!!

From Nite-Ize website






Edited by duckear (08/03/05 02:53 AM)

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#45549 - 08/03/05 04:27 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Obviously I did not. It is www.terralux.biz. All of their coversions are drop in, complete with new reflectors. Don't do the NiteIze -- it is junk.

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#45550 - 08/03/05 01:19 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Ah, that one. I got a red version of the TerraLux, it was my first LED replacement. It works all right, but I had to grind away part of the reflector to get it to fit right. It's still the only red one I know about, otherwise I prefer the Opalec.
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#45551 - 08/04/05 06:24 AM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Loc: Monterey CA
Is there a good LED conversion kit with tail cap push button?
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#45552 - 08/04/05 09:57 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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There is another, embarrasing factor.

Cost.

I can't justify spending more than 10 dollars to modify a 10 dollar light, when good lights are out there for 20 bucks. :P

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#45553 - 08/04/05 10:26 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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Yes - terralux does one.

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#45554 - 08/04/05 10:27 PM Re: Test your equipment part 2
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I know what you mean. It is really hard to beat a G2, but it is a different animal.

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