now, let's not forget whoever invented the bic style lighters, did not intend to create a survival specialized item, with all the extraordinary requirements we, ETS forumnits (sp ?), would like to have if such a device existed... .......

As for the tongue in the cheek thing, I indeed did think it was Randjack intention to put some heat around this subject....
And the proof is there : BIC can light that kind of flame too ..... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />