<<You will find that any real government hardened building has no metal of any kind passing through or to it.>>

Oddly enough, I've built some of those facilities. Just in case the designers and I totally screwed up, how do you propose to get power in, water in, and sewage out? Meant kindly, as food for thought. (And we were actually doing TEMPEST stuff for the most part.)

Tom

I think the main thing is there isn't enough definative info out there for the average person. We know it will effect electronics and that is about it and we know what we read from nuclear testing in years past (like when they blew the fuses in Hawaii). I think someone needs to come up with a definative answer (in laymans terms) of what the EMP from a suitcase type dirty bomb or small nuke would do and what the EMP from one of those Korea size bombs would do (as that seems to be the current threat) and for what distance. There is more false info out there then true and the movies arn't helping. Personally, I'm planning for everything to be gone and hoping for the best. Plan for the worst, hope for the best seems to be the best option right now. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

ironsraven- I`m not rushing out to buy anything.. just was curious with all the hype going around what was true and what was not.. etc.. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I had a client once for whom I processed a "nuclear survivor" claim. He was a commo guy in the pacific during severl of the post-war tests. Among his jobs was going abord surviving test target vessels to evaluate damage.

We got to talking about the tests, and EMP cam up one day. In those vacuum tube days, the damages to electronic equipment from EPM was -- none. Not even at Bikini (sp?) Atol, which is the shot we hung our claim upon.

Water and sewer were brought in with nonmetalic pipe. Power was the tricky part.

Hmm, maybe a close-coupled isolation transformer or two?

Theres a faint smell of eau de Y2K in this thread <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Every technological leap offers humanity benefits and the added worry we will become dependant on it and wind up worse off if it breaks. I'm sure some Homo Erectus eschewed cooked meat until he observed his buddies for a few meals. There is always the worry of countermeasures against our latest goodies.The Ghostdancers wore sacred shirts to stop bullets. They had a significant failure rate vs a .45-70. But today's Kevlar is a different story. Meanwhile, I have a real situation in my emergency gear closet-silverfish! ew yuck,nasty. I'm going to waste them with a chemical strike. First I have to don this black suit and sunglasses <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Chris, you hit it right on the head. How likely are any of us to be (a) exposed to EMP, and (b) then worry about it while running like mad? As Ayeres pointed out, there are stationary EMP generators, and maybe someone has minuturized one (Tom- yes? no? no comment?) to the point where it is readily transportable, but I put it into the same catagory as something that requires a full MOPP suit. I'm too slow to get out of the way, so I'm not going to worry.

I learned some about EMP in school, but realistically, I don't think the issue is significant enough to worry about. I just don't trust electronics becuase they don't like water and impact, which I seem to find a lot of, and batteries are heavy.

Gee whiz, didn't anybody see "Ocean's Eleven?" They took out Vegas for pete's sake! Wasn't that a portable EMP from Caltech?

Their first idea was much more practical and likely to work, which was to cut the mains with a shaped charge.

At least they got one thing right, if you try to steal from the Casinos in Vegas you will get caught. There are no exceptions, but there have been a few examples made. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Thank you for taking the time to put together that response.

ETS vs. survivalism