I believe it was Marty Feldman who kept hollering "Frau Blucher" and the horses reared and whinnied(?). <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Actually it was Cloris Leachman that played the part of Frau Blucher in the movie, one of the most hilarious I have ever seen.

http://imdb.com/title/tt0072431/

It is a "must see" movie. Feldman died a few years ago. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Indeed, -Such human experimentation and the like should Never be done. But IF such is Wrongly done anywhere, -and there just happens to be some Good, Useful, Helpful Information or other Benefit which comes out of it, -then for God's Sake, -Make Use of it!

Some of the nazi era Mengele type Human Experiments, -were applied to the benefit of the Luftwaffe. Again, -They should Never have been done. But once Knowledge in any way ends up entering the "Knowledge Stream", -are we to then just turn a Blind Eye and Deaf Ear to such?!, -as though it were Not Ever even there?!, -solely over the Wrong Manner of which it was acquired?!

This can be something of a Tuff Ethical Dilemma, -but in this case, -once something Beneficial IS known, -My view is that it No Longer should be Ignored. Notwithstanding the Wrong Ways in which it was acquired, -and that such Means to such Knowledge, -should in all Cases and Times, -NEVER be done!

I think the current Stem Cell Debate runs along similar lines.

Again, to analogize with WW 2, -We were there to Fight the German nazis, Japanese, and Italian and other Fascists, -and all such Wrong and Objectionable things as they Stood For.

But that Opposition does NOT extend, -to refusing to pick up a German Mauser or Ammo Belt, -that you may have occassion to do there on the Battlefield. Just because it is of your Yes Wrong, Enemy's Use or Manufacture!

To Sum Up, -DON'T Seek to acquire Knowledge or any other Gain, -in any Wrong, Immoral, or such of a Way! But if someone somewhere yet does, -Do not say that a Found Out, Follow Up Fact from such, -does not exist!

If someone Wrongly brings an Animal into your Living Room, -in your Opposition and Objection to such!, -you nevertheless Don't go round saying it isn't even there! Facts too, are "Stubborn Things", -and if it's a Fact or Reality, -I Beleive it to be as Such, -WHILE *Entirely Opposing* Any and All Wrong ways of which such may have been gotten! [color:"black"] [/color] [color:"black"] [/color] [email]brandtb[/email]

Saadam too, Hid out and "Survived" for a while, before his Capture, -as we'd remember. I personally have NO levels of Like or Admiration for him! And likewise view him as More or Less, -or even Entirely, -Evil.

With mao, stalin, hitler, pol pot, saadam's sons, and many others, -I too feel No personal Sympathy, Like, nor Admiration for! However they may Grade, -A Plus to E Minus, -in a Pure Out Survival Situation.

Rudolph in my overall View and Judgement, -is a kind of "Tweener" Person, -who may or may not be any bit Evil. Though certainly he did some Very Wrong, Objectionable, and Evil things nevertheless.

Also, in his View and Mind however, -he was Addressing and Responding to what he felt were various Evil Actions of Others. Or so he anyway says. It still does NOT Excuse or Justify it. Plenty more people than just Rudolph, -think that Miss Lyons for example, was *also* doing some Evil. (Even if Unknowingly and Non-Intentionally) (Yet the Vast Majority of them, -don't do things like Rudolph type bombings.). So if we're going to be Citeing and Opposing Evil.....!, -Many would Reply that we shouldn't be so Double Standarded about it!

Again, -I have absolutely NO Like, Admiration, or Sympathy, -for saadam back there in his Survival Situation! (And like Rudolph, -"He did it to Himself!"). And though he may not have been an E Student at Survival, -he probably didn't Rate or Rank the Survival Honor Roll either. But *IF* he hypothetically had, -I could still learn Pure Survival Lessons from the likes of even him. I could still Separate Pure Out Survival Matters, -from the Evil Objectionability and all, -of such a particular Survivor. So even if Rudolph is as much as Pure Out Evil, -and again my personal feeling is that he Doesn't go that far, -His Survival Experience can still be Separated from his Wrong Deeds, -and Survival Lessons can still be Learned! (Even if he too, -Ranked somewhere between the Bottom of the Barrel / Spider Hole, -and a Survival Honor Roll ! ). [color:"black"] [/color] [color:"black"] [/color] [email]norad45[/email]

If so, -Rudolph among his North Carolina Mountain supporters, -Osama among his Pashto / Pakistani / Afghan Taliban types, -in *their* Great Mountainous Terrain and Turf. Quite a Similarity!, -if So and True. Why wouldn't such a One's, -go to where their Supporters are!? [color:"black"] [/color] [email]brandtb[/email]

I'm locking this thread up with rudy.