#43371 - 07/09/05 06:37 AM
Bag terminology
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Registered: 06/16/05
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Loc: Illinois
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Okay, this may seem like a goofy question, but I'm trying to make sure I understand the context or finer points of some of the threads. Anyway:
When the members talk about a a 72-hour bag, a BoB (bug-out bag?) and/or a truck bag, are we essentially talking about the same thing?
Or is a BoB considered something you can throw on your shoulder or back right away and carry for miles?
I ask because I guess I would consider my truck bag my only BoB or 72-hour bag, and I gotta tell you ... even though it's only a 10" x 20" Jansport shoulder duffel, that little sucker's got some weight issues!
As a matter of fact, I'm thinking of adding a daypack to the gear in the truck, 'cause if I were to need to hoof it, I'd have to choose selected items from the truck bag, 'cause the whole darn thing ain't going to lug very well.
Of course, if the situation involved two healthy people, I suppose some sort of daypack or backpack would be very nice, cause then we could split the load.
Anyway, I supposed my basic question is, "Are BoB and 72-hr and truck bag really the same thing, or are there differences I should be thinking about?"
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#43372 - 07/09/05 07:01 AM
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Veteran
Registered: 03/02/03
Posts: 1428
Loc: NJ, USA
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A BOB is a backpack or such that you can grab from your house and carry with you when you need to get out of the area as fast as possible. Be it in a car, walking, on a bike, ect.
A truck bag is one left in the vehicle that has survival stuff, but has a lot of vehicle specific stuff and is usually left in the vehicle.
A 72-hour bag, can be considered a BOB (the terms are used interchangably), but is sometimes considered the opposite, for when you need to stay in your house or in the area. Probibly for when it is unsafe to bug out. Usually this has more in the way of food and water, so it is too heavy to grab and go.
That is my understanding, I may be totally off. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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#43373 - 07/09/05 01:00 PM
Re: Bag terminology
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It is a personal thing, so there is some overlap. I mean, worst case, I can bug out with my EDC, maybe with a stop at my car to grab the poncho, sweatshirt, and a few other little things that I'd twist into a "blacket roll" and sling with a chunk of paracord.
To me, a truck bag is your vehicle's EDC items. A good one can double as bug out gear, but it might be too heavy to carry without stripping out a bunch of items. Assuming you have a gppd bag, not a tool box.
As for bug out bags, they are something you pack for that purpose. To ME, IMHO, it shoudl be something you can grab and go with, with at least half the water carriers full, unless you have somethign like a 5L water bag. Carry that empty, fill it from relief supplies, use it as a carrier.
I use the numbers to determine how many hours you can operated out the pack comfortably. A 72-hour bag has three days of food, half of that at least of water. (I plan on 3 liters a day, minimum), some spare clothes, etc. A 120-bag is good for five days, etc.
A 1000-bag is called a bomb shelter, or an RV if it is mobile. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#43374 - 07/09/05 04:41 PM
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Registered: 06/16/05
Posts: 114
Loc: Illinois
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OK, I think I'm catching the drift. What I think I'll do is:
(1) Add a decent backpack of some sort to the already put-together truck gear so I can bust out what I need to carry should that situation arise. (2) Put togther a 24-hour BoB bag in a sling-style bag I already own. (3) Beef up & centralize the supplies I already keep in the apartment, perhaps with the addition of one of those home kits sold in 5-gal buckets. (that will have to be a couple paydays down the road.) Or, given what I already have in the apartment, just supp with emergency rations and pre-packaged water.
Between my pocket and keychain EDC, my briefcase gear and what's in the current truck bag, I'm feeling pretty good about the supplies situation. With a smallish 24-BoB, will feel even better.
Now have to find some training. Check Red Cross first?
Happy to say that I liked the Ritter mini-RSK so much, I also ordered a full-size RSK folder, which should be here this coming week. I also ordered a 5-pack of Doug's PSKs.
Next payday, I think I'll also track down and buy another Browning Pac Jac. I've got one I've been using for about 5 years now, and it's the best raincoat/windbreaker I've ever owned. With a microfiber outershell and Goretex liner, it doesn't particularly look or feel like a raincoat, but performs extraordinarily well and packs down pretty darn small. One of those few things you buy hoping it lives up to its hype, and it surpasses expectations. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
You guys are awesome. Thanks for all the help.
The only bummer: I've got a feeling that by the tiime the fall gets here, I'll have spent the price of a very good Italian 16-gauge O/U bird gun on survival goodies. But that's OK. I'll have increased my emergency preparedness & the ability to help someone else if needed and had a few laughs.
Plus, I've made it 41 years w/o a 16 ga ... no harm going another bird season or two w/o one.
Sorry if I just rambled. This is kind of fun. Too bad you can't tell "normal people" about it. I know from my past experience sharing gear/outdoor tales with office folk that they look at you askance if you are prepared for anything more trying that a trip to Starbucks. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Kind of weird that this all got started for me when I noticed one of Doug's PSKs pictured next to a rifle in "American Rifleman." For years, I'd been looking for just a such a little kit to slip into my bird vest. I googled EQTS, and "Whoa, Nellie ... he's off to the races!" <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#43375 - 07/09/05 04:43 PM
Re: Bag terminology
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Geezer
Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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"I'm thinking of adding a daypack to the gear in the truck, 'cause if I were to need to hoof it, I'd have to choose selected items from the truck bag"
If you've only got a minute to evacuate, you won't have time to pick through your truck. Your BOB should have all the necessary items already in it, ready to grab and go.
It would be kind of silly to have the authorities find your dead body beside a packed truck after a chemical spill or something!
Sue
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#43376 - 07/09/05 04:49 PM
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Addict
Registered: 07/10/03
Posts: 659
Loc: Orygun
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I consider my BoB bag as two separate items. One is an actual backpack with hiking gear, water, food, etc. (although there is not enough water or food for 72 hours). The other is an attache-type bag with some survival items, but really more of the day to day carry, including dayplanner, etc.
The reason for having two bags is that if I decide to go hiking, the backpack isn't filled with paperwork. And if I'm out working, I can just carry the attache bag and be content with the survival kit in the car trunk.
If it got so bad that I truly had to evacuate or "bug out", I'd be carrying the backpack on my back and sling the attache bag over my shoulder. I'd have my personal information and important stuff, along with some water, food, survival gear, and navigation.
Not to mention a pair of hiking boots on!
Ideally, though, I lean towards being able to "bug in" and stay at home. I easily have 72 hours worth of supplies that way. If something major happened, such as a natural disaster or man-made disaster, bugging out would be my last choice.
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#43377 - 07/09/05 05:05 PM
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Loc: Illinois
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Susan, I was thinking more along the lines of being stuck somewhere remote (there are some long, lonely winter drives in my routine) and having to walk away from the truck, but your point is well taken. Am preparing something closer to a true BoB. Thanks.
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#43378 - 07/09/05 07:27 PM
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What would be in a 24hr BOB?
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#43379 - 07/09/05 08:36 PM
Re: Bag terminology
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Registered: 12/18/02
Posts: 1320
Loc: France
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I want to add my own car kits in one of the threads about that subject, with a few pix, but I have not found the time to do it up to now.
About this thread : my car kits are held in two "pilot case" style bags. One has the car related items (oil, tools, turboflares, etc..). The second one contains a set of clothes, light hiking shoes, poncho, water, dehydrated meals + other food and drink items, Esbit stove, PSK, etc.. If I have to abandon the car, I won't need the car tools. I will just grab the second bag. But after a few miles, it will be a PITA to walk with that pilot case. So I included a cheap, light, foldable backpack : It will be easier to put everything useful inside the backpack and eventually drop the case.
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#43380 - 07/09/05 11:33 PM
Re: Bag terminology
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Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 12/26/02
Posts: 2997
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I'd say yes and no. I've always consided a BOB something you evacuate with (i.e. Bug out) weather it be evacuate yout home or work. Now this BOB have enought supplies to survive 72 hours therefore it can be considered a 72 hour kit also. Some don't beleive in bugging out, maybe they work close to home, or work form their home and they believe they have stocked their home well enough to stay if some situation happens. They may have a 72 hour kit but it may not be a BOB. Then there are trucks kits, these can be a bob or 72 hour kit or both ot more. I have a small bag in my truck that I consider a BOB (I haven't really decided on the length of time it could sustain me) but have variuos other gear in my truck such as tools and spare parts which I consider part of my truck kit. Confused yet <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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