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| #43364 - 07/09/05 10:06 PM  Re: Good small xenon flashlight? |  
|   Old Hand
 
   Registered:  10/10/01
 Posts: 966
 Loc:  Seattle, WA
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Part of the point of the Orb Raw is that it's tiny. Under 2 inches long and less than an inch wide. It weighs 30g. It's a keyring light that puts out 100 lumen.That's pretty cool.  I didn't know it was so small.  Sounds a lot like the size of the E1e.   I recently bought a Surefire L1 which I did intend as a suvival light, but I'm disappointed with it,What don't you like?  Too focused?  You could consider adding a F04 beamshaper . so I'm casting around for alternatives.Personally, I think an optimal EDC situation is something that can go from about 2 to 60 lumens in at least three steps.   The only real thing close to that at this time is the SF U2 .  With six output levels and 100 lumens, I think this would be a reasonable all-in-one solution. Other than that, I think the next best thing would be a combo.  In order to get three levels, at least one of the lights would have to be a multi level light.   My solution is a SF E2e (sometimes SF M2) + SF L1 (old style).  I'm very happy with this, but if I was going to do it all over again, I would use a SF E2e + HDSsystems.com EDC light with beamshaper lens AND diffuser (I think task lights should be very "flood"). -john 
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| #43366 - 07/10/05 03:05 AM  Re: Good small xenon flashlight? |  
|   Enthusiast
 
 Registered:  08/15/03
 Posts: 208
 Loc:  NE Ohio
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I have had a couple of the Streamlight TwinTask 2Ls. I liked them quite a bit as car lights, but I've since switched to these lights:Nuwai 3-watt hi/lo (I bought mine here - no connection to this dealer but my transaction went fine and they answered a lot of questions via email). Pretty much the same size (the head has a larger diameter). It's got a good beam on high, pretty decent light output on low, and you'll never need to change the bulb. I'm a fan of these lights, and for the price (about US$36) - they're a good value. The TwinTask 1L is a neat little light, but a bit big (head size) for really comfortable pocket carry.  For those looking for a pocket carry light, I think the Nuwai Q3/QIII is a very good option. A 3-watt LED running off one CR123 battery. Size is very similar to a Surefire E1, although the fit and finish on any Surefire is better. I've not tested an incan vs. LED for seeing through smoke conditions, but the output on a QIII is pretty good for a pocket light of that size.  Dave   |  
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| #43367 - 07/10/05 03:15 AM  Re: Good small xenon flashlight? |  
|   Enthusiast
 
 Registered:  08/15/03
 Posts: 208
 Loc:  NE Ohio
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Another possibility is the Pelican M6.
 All-metal body, a bit longer than a Surefire G2. Has HA2 (sted HA3) body anodizing, so it will show wear and nicks quicker than comparably-sized Surefire light. However, it's still sturdy - just dropped one of mine off a porch railing onto concrete driveway about 12 feet or so below. Got small nicks on it, but the lamp lit right up again. Pelican also has a very good returns policy for their lights.
 
 About the same price as the G2, especially with some of the vendors on CPF.
 Throws (I'm told) a bit farther than the G2. Lamp assemblies are about $7 each vs. the Surefire assembly prices.
 
 Also has the option of making the tail a clickie instead of press for momentary on, twist for constant on. CPF vendor flashlightlens.com sells the mechanism, which apparently takes a bit of elbow grease to install (I bought my Pelicans used, with the clickies already installed).
 
 I think the Pelican's a good-value light, very much a contender to the Surefire G2.
 
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| #43368 - 07/10/05 07:20 AM  Re: Good small xenon flashlight? |  
| Anonymous Unregistered
 
 
 
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John:
 Just get some 600 grit wet/dry paper and round it off as much as you want.  Go to a gun store and get some cold blue.black if don't like the raw aluminum edges showing.
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| #43370 - 07/10/05 12:16 PM  Re: Good small xenon flashlight? |  
|   Veteran
 
 Registered:  12/12/04
 Posts: 1204
 Loc:  Nottingham, UK
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Yes, the L1 is too focused on the low beam. I'm aware of beamshapers but don't know of a UK supplier. Also I'm having doubts about the whole package. It's not the smallest torch for what it does, and I can't really see me carrying it every day.
 The light I really rely on at the moment is a Zipka+ headlamp. It's just so convenient to have something hands-free, and it gives more light than the L1 on low and more useful light too. That's what I use around a campsite or if I am at home during a powercut. I don't quite EDC it but I'd have it with me if I were far from home, eg on London tube. I'm very happy with it and can't see myself giving it up, whatever else I get.
 
 The U2 looks great but frankly is getting a bit pricey. $250!
 
 I guess I'm trying to think through what the roles of a really bright light actually are. For most uses I don't need a lot of light. I EDC a Photo Freedom and that's often enough. I'm not a policeman or anything. Although I'd like a light bright enough for search and rescue use over many hours, for that role it doesn't have to be a survival  torch I carry everywhere. And in fact the L1 would probably do me in that role. (I prefer LEDs to incandescents, by the way, which probably means compromising somewhat).
 
 I am wondering if when you do need a bright light in a survival situation, you maybe don't necessarily need it for very long. If you are in a smoke-filled room, you need to get out of the smoke pretty quick anyway.
 
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