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#41849 - 06/19/05 03:24 AM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
norad45 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/01/04
Posts: 1506
At the risk of sounding a more somber note, didn't the passengers of Flight 93 use a drink cart to help batter down the cockpit door?

As far as this keychain "weapon" is concerned. it seems to me a more effective weapon could be improvised on board--especially if the passengers and crew were cooperating.

Wow---what a novel idea.... maybe it takes a true life or death struggle to get that to happen <img src="/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Regards, Vince

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#41850 - 06/19/05 03:35 AM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
On an even more somber note, they didn't realize how coldly efficient the terrorists were.

Take over plane. Kill pilots. Crash plane into target. If passengers rebel in an organized manner, crash plane anywhere.

The passengers and crew were out-organized by maniacs who had carefully planned a suicide hijacking for years.

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#41851 - 06/19/05 03:53 AM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Craig Offline


Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1784
Loc: Collegeville, PA, USA
What the TSA is saying is, "As far as you are concerned, we ARE God. Get used to it."

Imagine having the power to declare ANYTHING a weapon and to confiscate it AT WILL.

Wow. They have more power than the police do. Big Brother is here.


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#41852 - 06/20/05 11:49 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
MartinFocazio Offline

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Registered: 01/21/03
Posts: 2203
Loc: Bucks County PA
If this is true, kindly post a scan of the TSA letter to this effect - becuase if it's not in writing, it's hope, not policy.

If you can produce a verifiable policy document to proove your assertion of TSA specifically allowing this self-defense device on plane, I will make a public apology to you.

In the meanwhile, I have contacted the TSA myself with a printout of pages with your device seeking a statement to the same effect as your claim.

I contacted (By mail) Chad Wolf, Assistant Administrator
Office of Transportation Security Policy
TSA HQ: TSA-9
601 South 12th Street
Arlington, VA 22202-4220

I hope that he can clarify this matter.

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#41853 - 06/22/05 02:49 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Anonymous
Unregistered


I look forward to his comments and review. If Chad needs any further details I would be happy to provide it to him.

As I stated before the goal of this keychain to provide a way for people to protect themselves and their loved ones. The ability to fly with the keychain was only one advantage of many.
Devin

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#41854 - 06/22/05 08:18 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Anonymous
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In other words, you have no idea what the TSA would do about your product, and don't have anything to back up your claims.

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#41855 - 06/22/05 09:14 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Anonymous
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Excuse me while I try not to laugh.

There is a universe of diffence between being on the OK list and not being on the bad list.


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#41856 - 06/23/05 04:53 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
Anonymous
Unregistered


*sniffs the air suspiciously* Yep, thought so - it smells like brown sticky stuff to me.

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#41857 - 07/07/05 02:23 AM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
duckear Offline
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Registered: 03/01/04
Posts: 478
TSA and logic. Two items that don't belong in the same sentance.

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#41858 - 07/07/05 02:52 PM Re: Self-Defense Keychain Approved by the TSA?
brian Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/28/04
Posts: 1468
Loc: Texas
Has anyone else noticed that the TSA logo and all mentions of the TSA have been removed from the website?
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