yeah I know what you mean....I made a drop cloth "Tick" for historical re-enactments, but I stuffed it with straw anyway.<br><br>My Tarp is sold as a tarp and made by the friend I speak of here... I was not cheap, and is 6 years old and stained from many camps from smoke. I think the 12x12 was like 70 dollars with loops sewn every 3' every where on one side...that means egdes and surface..... I am considering a eygptian cotton un oiled for a bit less weight, and far smaller size folded....... each material has its advantages..... I like fire dead center in a tent, or sometimes anyplace I want in them with the doors closed and the fire inside. I know of several types that can do that, but none are syntheics....Mac