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#39169 - 03/22/05 03:25 AM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
Trusbx Offline
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I have never played metal gear solid, but the only drug i know which will 'calm the nerves' - or to reduce hand tremors from 'stress' is a beta blocker like propranolol. It slows the heart rate and reduces the tremors in the hands. That should help the guy aim better.

Of course this is in a game, and you should not be taking propranolol in a survival situation to 'calm the nerves'. It would blunt the 'fight or flight' response which you would want to be at 100%. All meds in the kit should be for your own use only. Unless you're a doctor.

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#39171 - 03/22/05 05:02 AM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
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My father used to take this before he passed away last year at the ripe old age of 88 years I used to pick it up for him has he used to get stressed about alot of stuff that he should not of ...Anyway yes the other name is PROPRANOLOL His dosage was 10mg on to 3 tablet a day.....So that is way more than 15mg.....for leathal dosage....Made him
more confortable.... <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

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#39172 - 03/22/05 05:24 AM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
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Jim Beam, sitz bath!
That is a waste of good bourbon! <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />

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#39173 - 03/22/05 09:08 AM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
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Registered: 11/14/03
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Skater:

No! No! No!.

The Jim Beam goes into the same area the demerol does.

The sitz baths are for the other end! <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

You have got to go back to drinking regular caffinated coffee before reading these posts. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

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#39174 - 03/22/05 10:48 AM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
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I take 120 mg a day of Inderal in a timed release cap for high blood pressure. This is down from 240 mg 6 months ago. My meds are the one thing that are always with me, far more important in my case than any other item in my psk.


Edited by kantuc2 (03/22/05 10:53 AM)

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#39175 - 03/22/05 02:19 PM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
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Listen to Trusbx folks. He does this stuff for a living and what he's said in this forum about medical issues can be counted on!!
I do "stress and anxiety" for a living..and I treat many trauma surviviors. There is NO DRUG worth using to "calm down" in these situations. The risk-benefit ratio just isn't there. Anxiolytic drugs may (may.. but I don't like them) be used to aid recovery. But NO DRUG (i.e. no mood-altering drug) is helpful in the immediate/acute situation.

The following is the Benson Breathing Technique. It is the (IMHO) most effective technique we have for overall calming. It can be readily learned, safely and effectively used, and it absolutely does work if done properly. (Trusbx, if you can monitor it, you'll see CO2 balance change after 2-3 minutes of this).

Benson Breathing (or Breathing Retraining)

It is important to understand that you are working to achieve a Calming Reflex, which you can induce with breathing and muscle relaxation techniques: with practice this reflex becomes more effective, and is more quickly induced.

The Benson Breathing (BB) technique is simply this:
You breath in, fully and gently.
You hold your breath, without tightening up.
You breath out fully, slightly pursing your lips as if blowing on hot coffee.

Make the three parts equal: IN HOLD OUT.
It usually helps to establish a count or cadence: IN.2.3. HOLD.2.3. OUT.2.3..

Yawning is a good sign. Slight lightheadedness suggests you haven't found a comfortable rhythm, so breathe normally for a while and try again.

Practice when you DON'T need the technique, 3 or more 10-15 minute sessions daily. Most people in my practice can produce substantial calming after 2 minutes of this, after a week to 10 days of practice.

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#39176 - 03/22/05 06:18 PM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
Susan Offline
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Speaking of caffeine, what happens to these folks that live on expresso when it's suddenly withdrawn? Are they crawling around on their hands and knees with the mother and father of all headaches? Seems it would be hard to concentrate on a life-threatening situation in that mode.

Sue

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#39177 - 03/22/05 07:10 PM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
Glock-A-Roo Offline
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Registered: 04/16/03
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NAro's advice on breathing is exactly right. 12-year SEAL veteran & trainer Jeff Gonzalez reports that this practice helped him enormously during his military operations. Trainer John Farnam says the same thing. I believe Farnam refers to the practice as "autogenic breathing".

From http://www.killology.com/art_onkilling_anxiety.htm:

"...the bridge between the somatic and autonomic nervous system is breathing, and an increasing body of research and law enforcement experience indicates that if we teach the victim to control their breathing then they can control their physiological arousal. (This is based on information and feedback gained from training over 20,000 law enforcement personnel in this technique over the last three years.) The breathing technique that is being taught to SWAT teams, police departments, Green Beret battalions, and other elite forces around the world (sometimes referred to as “autogenic breathing”) consists simply of a deep, belly breath: breath in for a four-count, hold for a four-count, breath out for a four-count, hold for a four-count, and repeat three times."

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#39178 - 03/22/05 07:46 PM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
X-ray Dave Offline
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Registered: 11/11/03
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Thinking about it, many relaxation techniques ( hypnosis, yoga, bio feed back) all have a basis in some type of deep breathing technique.
Dave

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#39179 - 03/22/05 09:08 PM Re: Nerve-calming drugs in FAK
NAro Offline
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Registered: 03/15/01
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Yep, and I'll stack it up against any OTC painkiller for treatment of acute pain.

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