Anybody have any experience or insight with knives like these:



Would be carried in addition to EDC folder. Useful or Useless?

Thanks,
Hutch4545

Hutch,

You can find a review of the Becker BK-11 (first pic) here:

http://www.knifeforums.com//ubbthreads/s...amp;amp;fpart=1

Useful? You be the judge...

M

You have to remember that because the handle is so thin it will be uncomfortable to use for an extended period of time. The Perrin might be a bit better, but the Necker and Crawford will certainly become uncomfortable after a while. However they are so thin and light that they are usually very comfortable to carry and easy to hide. I'm not a huge fan of carrying a knife around my neck, but it is a method that has been around forever and it doesn't take up any pocket or belt space. All in all you really have to decide what you use a knife for and if the knife will work in that role based on reviews you read.

Neck carry is an ancient method 'rediscovered' by an industry always promoting new products. Disadvantages are the same restrictions as to blade length carry in urban environs. I wear a Mora on a neck lanyard under my shirt. IT's my PSK companion if I lose everything. More than once I've returned to 'civilization' unconsciously still wearing it and in fact comitting a felony in California <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> The lanyards themselves are a liability. What holds a knife securely also works well on jugulars and vertebrae. I use traditional lampwicking with a breakaway stitch. It's far more comfortable, safer and a ready source of tinder. Blade size will dictate the usefullness of any knife. Some people carry SAKs and are quite happy, so a full tang equal should prove as good if not superior. You just have to apply the same criteria to a kneck knife as a big brother re: skeleton handles, geometry, steels etc. The position is no more superior or inferior to any other carry; hip,crossdraw, boot dagger or backpack. What you are carrying or doing will dictate the 'best' carry. If your present system works fine. Buying a neck knife because it's there is succumbing to the glossy pages of the latest knife magazine <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I also carry a Mora as a neck knife. I find the #1 or #1260 to both be good sizes for neck carry. I have them attached to a rawhide bootlace tied in a fisherman’s knot so that it is adjustable as to size of neck loop.
The Mora can be worn with a tucked in shirt and drawn through the neck of the shirt if you adjust he loop so the handle is just below neckline.
I started carrying neck knives during the summer on the lakes since with no pockets or belt in a swimsuit there were a limited number of carrying places. You could also be wet up to the waist with out having your knife wet.
Chris is correct about it being an ancient carrying method made new again. Some American Indians, Nordic peoples and several nomadic tribes found this carry method useful for their small utilitarian work knives.

I have a Necker Becker. I really like the blade's size and shape. As others have said, the handle is a bit short and its skeletal nature feels odd in my hand.

It would be cool if someone made a set of custom scales that could be screwed onto the handle and then removed when desired. I would prefer the scale handle to be much longer than the skeletal handle. Does anyone know someone in the injection molding business?

KenK:

Why injection mold?

Take one of your "whittling" knives, a nice piece of wood, some brass rivets, epoxy glue, urethane based wood stain, and do up your own design.

Bountyhunter

I own a Fred Perrin's "griffe" (a somewhat different model), that I carry around my neck when traveling by car around the country.
Good design, good quality.
As others have said, it sure is a small blade, but for defensive purpose it will do the job.

As for using it for other purpose, why not ?
I don't use it to open cardboard boxes, because :
- it's too nice a (custom) knife to use for such a menial task ! ; <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
- the neck carry principal advantage is discretion, so I won't get the griffe out of its hiding place on trivial occasions.

But I did use it once in a relative's kitchen to cut some meat for cooking (his kitchen knives were in such a poor shape ... !!!!). <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

I think that any one of those blades would be far better than no blade at all. I also think that any one of those blades would be a fine complement to any quality small folder now in existance.


Regards, Vince

One of my more colorful posts on this subject seems to have disappeared, so let's try a dry, dull version.

When I was much younger, I used to carry a 6" double edged dagger blade in a sheath tied to the inside of my left thigh.

I had a hanger strap going from the upper ( Had a lower tie down belt holding the bottom of the sheath around the thigh also.) thigh belt to a nylon belt around my waist under my underwear.

You had to be careful pulling that knife out.

The first posting was much more fun.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Another discreet carry for a Perrin's griffe, with its pistol grip : on your strong side, inside the pant, under the belt, with the grip sticking out and the lace secured around the belt.

Sounds like a more complex arrangement than the small dive knife by Tekna I use to carry upside down strong side inside of shorts or swimsuit. It was a fast draw but some care had to be given to putting it back. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I apologize for not being more clear, but I meant that the knife was worn INSIDE my pants leg for concealment purposes and I had to open my zipper to reach in and pull it out. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

(P.S. The first post was much more comprehensive.)

bountyhunter,

The first post was down right distasteful.

You're my kind of people...

M <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

SgtMike88Ret:

There was nothing directly objectionable about it as it was designed to evoke response based on the readers translation. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The large empty space before the final conclusion was included to see if people are curious enough for all of the post or so concerned with "PC" that they felt many would be offended. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I refuse to be offended unless the PRESUMED obvious does in fact exist. In this case, the PRESUMED obvious did NOT exist. I am not responsible for any diversions a readers mind may take. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Besides, it is so much fun! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

And I, regardless of personal standards have to police the forum. We have peope of all sensitivities visit. Some are young children. This is not a bordello, biker bar or locker room.

I carry a "la griffe"-style knife as a neck knife 24/7 an what should I say? I realy love this piece of steel !
OK, it´s not that big deal for chopping or skinning tasks but it´s my item of choise for a last ditch device.
Yes, I would depend my life on it if I have to ...

Nevertheless I carry some other blades all day long depending on the tasks at least Leatherman and Opinel.

My current neck/backup knife is this piece from Ken Brock and Hideaway Knives and I love it. A full review of this knife will be coming as soon as I have spent more quality time with it. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />



I keep it in it's extremely well engineered Kydex bikini sheath with a 2" ferrocerium rod attached.

This knife is very small and flat and all S30v for you blade steel nuts. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Part of my EDC is a Leatherman Micra on an improvised lanyard made from 20-lb fly line backing and a small carabiner. It's surprisingly useful. Given that I almost always have my Vic Rucksack and/or a Gerber multitool on my person, I wouldn't bother with a blade-only necker.

i dont carry a multitool ... i carry the hidaway and a sebenza .. i have carried multitools in the past but since i quit working on computer hardware for a living i simply dont have a need for them as an edc item.

check this out:

I'm impressed. Maybe it's time for me to get my BK-9 a new sibling <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />.

I know what you mean. Unless you're driving a lot of screws, most of the functions on most multitools don't seem to get much use. I usually use the Micra to cut my nails. But given that my other EDC (a Victorinox Rucksack) doesn't have scissors, it does come in handy sometimes.

I had a BK-11 for a while, and I really liked the design. It was a well-built piece. I bought a Tek-lock for it. The neck carry is okay, but I carried it on my pack more often than not. I finally gave it to my wife, because I didn’t like how it fit my hand. It was just too small. Durn the bad luck.

She loves it. You can beat the tar out of it with a baton if the need arises.
Randall’s Adventure Training is putting out a three-inch blade this spring. I think I’ll like the fit more, if the stats I saw on it are right.

Biscuits

As I've said before, I REALLY like the size/shape/material of the blade on the BK11, but wish there was a longer handle.

It would be nice if Becker took the BK11 blade and attached it to a BK10 handle (maybe slightly downsized)

Maybe a 4" long 0.150" thick blade with a slightly less robust BK10 handle. It wouldn't have to be a neck knife. Sorry...getting off topic. Just day dreaming.

kozi:

Who makes that knife you posted in your pictures?

this is Becker Necker with custom (my <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />) cord wrap

I like the Becker Necker. Found it a little heavy around the neck. I wrapped the handle in black 550 cord and laced the sheath to the back of my black waist pack. It was hard to see, but easy to reach.Never had a problem the knife coming out of the sheath.
Dave

I often wear FrontSite's Hideaway Knife. It is a bit expensive but incredibly useful and so lightweight you don't know it's there.

I wear it with the "bro clip" clipped inside my shirt rather than around my neck. I have the S30V version, straight, rather than the curvies or Titanium that she offers.

I was a little concerned about a nylon cord around my neck.

I pulled the inside out of some 550 cord, and replaced it with some dog tag chain. A loose stitch to hold it together, and it will break if pulled hard.

I do not want to be choked. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Is this new ??? Or is it the Utility knife? Interested if you can find more info on it for us.

I think this is the knife

Adam

Sounds like a rather precarious place to carry a knife, considering the proximity to the femoral artery, and other valuable goodies higher up.

I'd suspect it gets in the way of walking or running too.

Physics137:

In my neck of the woods (concrete), young also tends to equate with stupid in a lot of areas of life.

My nature, size, and the fact that I had knives always, and firearms sometimes didn't make running a big concern (See, there's that stupid part!).

Although I was always aware of the potential for voice change if I became reckless drawing the knife <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />, I had the pompous arrogance of youth because unlike those that just carry, my friends of that era and I used to have "whoever draws first blood" fights with small knives using slicing motions only, in order to improve our abilities with knives (There's a dumb thing. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />).

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I agree. I have tried neck carry with several different knives and I find that (a) I don't trust even the very best sheaths 100% and (b) it is a major pain when running or being in any position other than (standing/sitting) vertical.

Where did you find that Perrin Neck Knife ???

Thats a Rat knife. I'm referring to the long Perrin ... middle picture.

Once again I highly recommend Fred Perrins "La Griffe"-layout !

IMHO it´s the optimal structur for a fulltang hideaway knife handle.
I´ve experimented with the hideawayknife-layout either and finde the la griffe more comfortable in use.

Quote from Cris Kavanaugh -

"More than once I've returned to 'civilization' unconsciously still wearing it and in fact comitting a felony in California."

Some things are against the law because they're bad, and some things are against the law because they're against the law.

Middle picture of the first post in this thread or to the one to which you replied to asking the question? Which has no pictures, I might add.

Adam

yea I kinda goofed on that ....

The middle picture of the first post (original ) of the Perrin. Like to know the model or name and if anyone knows who carries it out there. There are a lot of Perrins.