#38413 - 03/06/05 01:31 AM
Avoiding detection
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Registered: 03/01/05
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Loc: Ohio
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Everything y'all list and post here seems to be geared toward being found. What would you do different if you wanted to avoid being caught or located?
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#38414 - 03/06/05 01:41 AM
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
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#38416 - 03/06/05 04:30 AM
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Registered: 12/07/04
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Loc: Massachusetts
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Yes, most of us, if things started going bad, would want to let someone know about it and get help, particularly if you were injured, or in a situation where you couldn't get yourself back to "civilization". A lot of survival scenarios might put you in a position where your goal basically becomes staying alive long enough for someone to come rescue you. In that case, you'd be doing everything you could to be noticed, and there are many posts about signalling here.
Sounds like you're looking for the "evasion" part of SERE training. Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape. Unless you're in Special Forces, you probably can't take the SERE Level-C training down at Fort Bragg, but, there are several publicly available books on survival that include information on avoiding having someone find you that might want to kill you. Searching for some of the military survival texts referenced here in the books section of ETS will give you a good start.
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#38417 - 03/06/05 04:32 PM
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Registered: 07/28/04
Posts: 1468
Loc: Texas
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Well I certainly wouldn't be blowing on the ACR whistle I keep in my kit, that's for sure. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#38418 - 03/06/05 07:55 PM
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
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Reconcowboy:
Paladin Press used to put out some books that were in that vein of thinking.
They got sued big time by some family who had a family member killed by some idiot that bought a book from Paladin Press which I believe was called "How to be a hitman".
I want to get a copy of that book to see what all the fuss is about as I learned a lot thru the daily newpapers and television about that sort of stuff, and they are not getting sued.
Now with the advent of the various "CSI" television series, they are teaching potential killers all the possible angles and winning Emmys when they should be getting sued and thrown in jail..
Bountyhunter
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#38419 - 03/07/05 04:11 AM
Re: Avoiding detection
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I've actually been through SERE school and there's a difference between not wanting to be found and evading (someone or many) pursuing you.
Although there are many principles and concepts that are the same in terms of leaving clues to your presence, the end results are vastly different IMHO and depend tremendously on the situation you're facing.
Generally: On one side, you don't want to have any human contact or discovery of your presence....on the other side, you don't want to have contact with a certain group of people. Its very common while evading to be forced to rely on help from "friendlies" or sympathetic locals. Its just not easy finding them. Other strategies include "blending in" so as to not appear out of place. I think the key to not being found at all is knowing your environment/location.
Several different movies come to mind on this subject -- you get the idea on the subtle differences between evading and not being found (although I wouldn't necessarily follow "Hollywood's idea" on what to do). The Fugitive Behind Enemy Lines Enemy of the State Red Dawn Collateral Damage The Bourne Identity Predator The Terminator and many more....
I think its harder to not want to be found versus evading an enemy -- its a matter of knowing what you're up against (Think of The Truman Show -- betcha Jim Carey's character never saw that coming!) and the tendency to want to stay put versus evading where you tend to be constantly on the move towards a specific goal of freedom likely at a known location.
FWIW: I actually have two sets of gear I keep. One set is for "being found" which includes the brightly colored version. I keep that in one place. The other version is stealth oriented (sight, sound, and smell -wise) and kept elsewhere.
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#38420 - 03/07/05 05:48 AM
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Registered: 01/21/04
Posts: 5163
Loc: W. WA
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Bounty, Amazon has a few books available for the entrepreneur:
Hit Man: A Technical Manual for Independent Contractors by Rex Feral
Workbench Silencers : The Art Of Improvised Designs (Silencers) by George M. Hollenback MORE WORKBENCH
SILENCERS by George M. Hollenback How To Make A Silencer For A .22 by Paladin Press
Be Your Own Undertaker : How To Dispose Of A Dead Body by A.R. Bowman Hayduke
Silencer Book by George Hayduke
To cover their a$$es, they have the disclaimer: "For informationl purposes only!"
Palladin Press must not have pointed that out!
Sue
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#38421 - 03/07/05 06:49 AM
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
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Palladin has always had that disclaimer even before the "Hitman" magazine, but the legal outcry was so great that the family won the lawsuit and Palladin quit selling the "Hitman" book.
Best silencer available is putting the barrel right up tight against the target and letting the target do the noise dampening. I know most of the silencer manufacturing techniiques from using beer bottle caps drilled and stacked for a "Maxim" style silencer, to wrapping wire mesh and fiberglas around the barrel of the firearm, to firing the gun from inside a large paper grocery sack, attaching a 2 liter bottle with water soaked rags in it, attaching a metal tube of tennis balls to the end of the barrel, all the way up to making a pipe manifold for silencing a high powered rifle.
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#38422 - 03/07/05 02:49 PM
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Enthusiast
Registered: 02/27/05
Posts: 232
Loc: Wild Wonderful WV
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My kit that I carry is all civilian type stuff. I live in a college town and everyone carries a pack of some kind or the other so walking around town with a 2-2.5 day pack is not going to draw attention to yourself. Earth tones are good colors as they tend to blend well but don’t draw attention like camouflage. I tend to dress too dark and am working on adding some dark kaki colors and forest greens to my clothing. I found that wearing a black military style knit hat made people look at me a lot more than wearing a dark patterned ski type hat with a “happy” pattern and a bop on top. Depending on your situation used work type clothing will make you disappear in many cities as people tend to ignore the “repair” man dressed in navy, brown or kaki work clothes. Even though I have emergency signal stuff, my cloths, packs, tarps and E shelters tend to blend. Of course you could always dress like a bum in a city since they are basically invisible to almost everyone.
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