bountyhunter:

i have several questions. firstly, what if the lines were running underground (would that never be the case?), and were not clearly visible? surely you would have to be inside the building to know whether there was a phone or not.

secondly. If Mr Joe was stupid enough (but ultimately innocent) to have had to break in a cabin a second time for similar reasons as a first time, would he have been filed this first time even if not convicted (i.e would he remain a completely 'free' citezen, as i am assuming he would be filed despite his innocence)?

and just a thought; when i read Michael's post the thing that leapt out at me was how fortunate you would be in having your 'breaking and entering' save you starvation via the alarm. it sounds like a thoughtful safety feature of the cabin owner for the hapless Joe.

ian

I think it also come down to the persons ATTITUDE when the police show up. If it's a "thank G_d you here, I'm saved" attitude, it's a bit different than "Uh, oh"

you make it sound like a comedy strip <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
maybe emaciation and general unhealth will get you through that test. otoh maybe not. i don't know.

ian

Bushtuckerman:

I tend to be somewhat of a cynic (Ask Norad45, Joblot, and note the deleted posts with my name.) and therefore tend to be more suspicious of people (Norad45 & Joblot please note that politicians, rich people, police, any power structure, and spinmiesters are not the only ones I rail against.). That being the case, I always approach a situation by distrusting statements and looking at actions or the results they produce.

I would definitely look into Joe's background after hearing his explanation and then decide. Yes, I know innocent people are accused every day by mistake and by vindictive others, and you are still innocent until proven guilty, but the criminally minded will always attempt to use a situation to their advantage.

The other thing to consider is that there are posters on web sites that work for attornies, political parties, big business, organized crime (Supposedly different from big business.), and poll takers who look to see what kind of reactions a given situation will generate among the people at large or certain groups. If I was an attorney defending someone, wheather totally innocent or totally guilty, this forum, hunting, camping, hiking, and survival sites would be the best way to gage reactions to Joe's case.

Many people have told me being suspicious tends to be a downer, but I always believe if you start negative, and the majority of people being good, you will come up wrong and end up postive as opposed to being positive and having your faith shattered when further research shows you were being treated like a mushroom.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Kc2ixe:

My youngest brother is a junkie and an expert at manipulating people in general and women in particular. He could make you think he was a Saint only slightly less pure than the late Mother Teresa if you did not know his background and Police record. I know him for what he is and I do not put up with him, consequently we do not get along. Believe me when I tell you a good criminal will never say uh-oh, but will cover their butt as best they can under the circumstances they were found in.

Bountyhunter

Hmm, if I ever set up a cabin in a location like that, I'll give some thought to putting a phone (perhaps set up to call 911 as soon as you pick up the receiver) and maybe a few emergency supplies on the OUTSIDE. The supplies could be a box of stuff attached to the cabin and "locked" with nylon wire ties to discourage casual borrowing but easy to cut through in an emergency.

i suppose if it were an emergency id break in to call for help or escape the elements during a bad storm.

as long as you replace what you used/ took/ damaged i dont see a problem except it makes you feel less safe when you go back to your cabin later on and ind it was broken into.

I have had to go into someone’s cabin and borrow something to get back to “civilization” and even though I felt bad about not being able to ask them first I would do it again. Since it was only a nail that I took to make a shear pin out of I didn’t feel I needed to travel two days back out there to replace it. I do however still feel bad about the poor guy who could not find the nail he always hung his coat on and the head scratching he must of done trying to figure out why his coat was folded across a chair.
As a guest on the trip I could not control the lack of spare parts and tools for their equipment. But as a always be prepared type I was able to come up with a fix from the small amount of “stuff” I had with me and one borrowed nail.

I guess that's a reason to include pen and writing paper in your kit. So you can borrow stuff with a clear conscience, having left a note explaining. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

All you needed was a nail? Let's hear the rest of your adventure. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />