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#37355 - 02/04/05 06:20 PM Biocide Question - Desalinators
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Question on the biocide additive for the Katadyn PUR Survivor 06 and 35 Reverse Osmosis Manual Desalinator Pumps:

Is the biocide to kill organisms in the freshly pumped water or is it to protect the unit itself?

If it is to kill organisms in the freshly desalinated water, what is the biocide?

Could one use the biocide for other non-desalinating systems or even manually?

If unable to use the biocide, can you run the desalinated water through a conventional filtration with or with out a silver or iodine system to achieve the same results as the biocide?

Pete

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#37356 - 02/05/05 02:55 AM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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Pete,

I know that Katadyn has been good about answering my questions about a couple of their hiker model filters via email. You might try their marine products email address:
marine@katadyn.com

They might be able to give you more details. Hope it helps.
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#37357 - 02/05/05 06:32 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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The biocide is strictly for storage purposes in these Katadyn/PUR devices. It is flushed during the intial pumping, as per the attached instructions.
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#37358 - 02/07/05 03:55 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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Thanks.

If that is the case, does the water produced still have potential microbial pathogens?

Pete


Edited by paramedicpete (02/07/05 03:59 PM)

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#37359 - 02/07/05 11:53 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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The unit is a reverse osmosis unit. Like the unit under someone's sink or purifying water for the ice machine or water dispenser at the store, it pretty much gets rid of just about anything bigger than a water molecule. It makes for a lousy water filter due to the high effort for the water it produces. Worth the effort in a life raft; totally unsuitable for conventional water purification.
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#37360 - 02/08/05 02:51 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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How much more energy is required to operate the pump as compared to conventional systems?

Would it then be fair to say, cost aside and/or energy input requirements, the Katadyn PUR Survivor 06 and 35 Reverse Osmosis Manual Desalinator Pumps theoretically would be the gold standard or the best universal system to have even if not around a marine environment on a regular basis?

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#37361 - 02/08/05 03:28 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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How much more energy is required to operate the pump as compared to conventional systems?
LOTS more! The 06 takes considerable effort, relatively little leverage on the commercial model, at the rate of 40 strokes per minute, to produce a bit over a liter per hour. Do the math, that equals 2400 strokes to desalinate about a quart of water. Believe me when I say this is not easy or much fun. It's better than dying of dehydration, but do it for long and you will lose plenty of weight. If you aren't in particularly good shape and are by yourself, you will run out of steam in less than an hour. Anything much less than 40 strokes/minute doesn't work and anytime you stop, you have to flush the system again. The 35 is much better, but also much bigger and more expensive, weighing in at 7 lbs. Still have to keep that stroke up, but the longer pump arm makes it a little bit easier. It produces water at the rate of about 1.5 gallons per hour.
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Would it then be fair to say, cost aside and/or energy input requirements, the Katadyn PUR Survivor 06 and 35 Reverse Osmosis Manual Desalinator Pumps theoretically would be the gold standard or the best universal system to have even if not around a marine environment on a regular basis?
If energy input isn't part of the equation, theoretically yes, but you also have to ensure the water is pretty clean to begin with, as in tap water clean, because the membrane will clog very quickly otherwise. They make electrically operated versions and many other companies also make electrically operated marine RO desalinators. They aren't found in other environments because there's lots more economical and efficient ways to purify dirty or contaminated water via conventional filters and/or chemical treatments. There are no other compact or efficient ways to desalinate water.
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#37362 - 02/08/05 04:46 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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Thanks.

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#37363 - 03/02/05 05:06 AM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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"...it pretty much gets rid of just about anything bigger than a water molecule"


At the risk of sounding glib (while reviving an old thread). Does that include "Cryptosporidium"? I am going to venture a guess that it does, but I know virii are extremely small when compared to bacteria.

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#37364 - 03/02/05 12:56 PM Re: Biocide Question - Desalinators
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They're also pretty huge when compared to a water molecule.
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