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#36275 - 01/12/05 01:20 AM Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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#36276 - 01/12/05 03:00 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
Susan Offline
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I faintly seem to remember something like this that was reportedly created for space flight, a source of nourishment without much fiber to expell (probably handy in space! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />).

It would probably be better than nothing, although they do mention it as a supplement to other food you might be finding (greens, bugs, fish, etc).

Although you CAN go without food for quite a while (as long as you have water), those who have done it say it's not something to relish. And there are probably side-effects to even temporary starvation that would be undesirable if you were having to exert considerable effort to work your way out of a bad situation.

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#36277 - 01/12/05 06:46 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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No joke, these are a carefully formulated supplement. Don't expect to add water and have Thanksgiving Dinner or quell hunger pains. They will bolster the nutritional and energy quality of rough field fare. You just have to decide if they are neccessary for a short term scenario.

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#36278 - 01/12/05 04:04 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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At 250 calories for a day's supply of the pills, you will be getting less than 1/10 of a normal adult intake. You would still be starving on this, but you would at least be starving more slowly. I think it is roughly equivalent to taking a daily multivitamin pill and some protein powder (or powdered milk).

If you tripled the pill ration and supplemented it with a starchy staple such as rice, bread, potatoes or corn, etc. then you could probably maintain your weight, energy and health reasonably well for a while on it. You would still be lacking fibre and probably calcium as well as other things, though, so this would not exactly be ideal in the long-term.

The packaging is pretty neat, though.

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#36279 - 01/12/05 04:51 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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What about Sea Cure?

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#36280 - 01/12/05 06:08 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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$25 for the survival tablets and $40 for seacure + S/H? Thats a lot of fruitcake, pilot bread, beef jerky, chocolate, trailmix, tea, powerbars, MREs and gummy worms <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#36281 - 01/12/05 08:02 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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These tablets have been around for 20 years. I think the original idea was that the container they come in fits in a standard USGI canteen pouch, so it would be easy to keep on your equipment. I really don't think you could, or that it was designed as a sole way to feed yourself. I believe it was thought of as a supplement to whatever else you had or could gather. Never tried them myself or heard any first hand reports. I have to go with Chris, for the price + shipping you could do a lot better.
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#36282 - 01/12/05 11:34 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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If you believe the claims, the pills allow 90% of the nutrients to be absorbed, as opposed to "normal" food at 25--35%. So, the pills caloric value ends up being about the bare minimum needed...if you believe the claims.
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#36283 - 01/13/05 04:26 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmm .... gummi worms ... breakfast of champions!

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#36284 - 10/12/05 10:57 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
WILD_WEASEL Offline
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The British RAF had something very similar to these during WW2, known a Horlick’s Tablets or Malties. They were packed 12 to a tin, not unlike an Altoid tin, as a 24 hour emergency ration. You can still find Horlick’s Tablets or Malties on line from specialty candy dealers. They both, Survival Tabs and Horlick’s Malties, taste like malt balls. I think the Survival Tabs would be great if they packaged them as a 24 hour emergency ration, but long term ration. As packed today one box of Horlick’s Malties (original or chocolate) would be a respectable 24 hour iron ration. See photo of original Horlick's...
http://tinypic.com/eitbb8.jpg


Edited by WILD_WEASEL (10/12/05 11:00 PM)
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#36285 - 10/12/05 11:18 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
groo Offline
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Do you have a link to a site selling them? Believe it or not, I know someone who'd pay $$$ for Horlick's malted milk stuff. Make a great Christmas gift.


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#36286 - 10/12/05 11:49 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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Here is the link for the Malted Milk Tablets The Vermont Country Store

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#36287 - 10/13/05 02:07 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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Here's asource for Horlick's Malties
http://oldtimecandy.com/horlicks-malted-milk-tablets.htm


Here's another link to candy that's be used for nutrition on Artic expeditions
http://www.necco.com/
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#36288 - 10/13/05 02:56 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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When I was much younger, back in the early 70s, I was fortunate enough to be involved in one of the scouting parties for development of Pukaskwa National Park http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/on/pukaskwa/index_e.asp

We were dropped by float plane up river about 80 miles and were to canoe our way down to a point where a small tributary flowed into the Pukaskwa river. Up that river was a small lake where we were to be picked up by float plane. Nobody had been down the river in the last 80 years so we didn't know what conditions to expect. The river turned out to be lower than expected, so low, that we were unable to make our way up the tributary to the lake. As a result, we had to spend another 4 days making our way down to the shores of Lake Superior to be picked up by boat. We ran out of food on the second last day and for the next 2 days ate nothing but malted tablets and brook trout which we could catch on almost every cast. There's nothing like fishing pristine waters.

The tablets were part of our survival kit, and they provided tons of energy and kept us going up some of the steepest portages and terrain we encountered on the entire trip. One whole day was spent portaging over ancient forest deadfall and Volkswagon sized rocks, mostly up hill. To this day, I can still remember the taste of the malt tablets and the energy burst we got after eating them. They may be old fashioned, but they work.
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#36289 - 10/13/05 03:42 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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Thanks!! This is awesome. I've never tried one myself, but a friend of mine is old enough to have very fond memories of these things. We tried googling a few years ago, but nothing turned up. This is perfect.


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#36290 - 10/13/05 04:04 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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ooo...
I love horlicks sweets. We used to get them in our combat rations. Nowadays, we can get them in the pharmacy check out counter...

Yum...

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#36291 - 10/13/05 05:05 AM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
Chris Kavanaugh Offline
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O.K. Anticipating this thread's revival I bought the survival tabs. 9 months allmost to the day and I can note the following: A. They are a usefull, but not complete dietary system with an emotional placebo effect. B. Horlicks are a good short term energy booster. Military history is full of comments about adversaries buzzed on opiates or other drugs charging like a filipino fanatik. We have our own equivellant- chocolate and suger <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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#36292 - 10/13/05 02:32 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
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I'd bet peanut or almond M&M's are a better alternative.

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#36293 - 10/13/05 04:18 PM Re: Survival food..... pills? Is this a joke?
GardenGrrl Offline
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Registered: 09/12/05
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I'm confused . . . are they supposed to supply complete nutrition as replace a meal? Do they make you feel "full" or are you still hungry?


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