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#35409 - 12/18/04 12:39 AM Re: A warning for divorced dads - more TSA harassm
Vinosaur Offline
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Out of respect to the forum, its moderators and viewers, I will let this go. People have their mind set in certain ways, and all the discussion in the world isn't going to change that. Have a safe and happy holiday season and new year everyone.
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#35410 - 12/18/04 01:25 PM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
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Considering that the GPS was a key tool used in the 911 attacks, I repeat, don't even think the word GPS at an airport. That's your fair warning. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#35411 - 12/18/04 01:40 PM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-topic.
brian Offline
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I think 1000's dead puts more of a damper on ones freedoms don't you?
I realize this is difficult for a non-US citizen to understand however, for many US citizens 1000s dead simply makes us want to stand up for our freedoms even more. My father was in NYCl ess than a block away at the time of the attack. It was quite a while before I knew if he was alright. He lives in NYC with many people whom are no longer with us and many more that lost their families, so you can rest assured that these people (like my father) are no armchair quarterbacks. They were there they suffered and they are angry about the post 911 freedoms they are giving up just like the rest of the country. In the US many of us believe that if we give up too much freedom in the name of security then in fact we have given the enemy what they want. Again Flipper, I realize that not growing up and living inthe USA probably makes this very hard to understand. That is why I try to explain it as clearly and politely as possible.
So to answer you question in short...
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I think 1000's dead puts more of a damper on ones freedoms don't you?
No, many of us do not, and furthermore it makes us want to exercise those freedoms and fight to keep them even more than before!
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Conclusion:

Take A Bus, Simple.
Great plan....until buses start blowing up! Where does it end. The answer should proably be..."Right here!"
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#35412 - 12/18/04 04:26 PM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
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GPS was a key tool used in the 911 attacks

Hmm, I don't remember hearing about that. How did they use it?
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#35413 - 12/18/04 05:04 PM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
brian Offline
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To redirect the aircraft. Of course everything burned up and all witnesses are dead so they are not 100% sure but here's a report about why it is suspected that a GPS was used. This was big news right afterwards. I'm surprised you never heard about it. http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/05/22/hijack.paper.trail/
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#35414 - 12/18/04 05:44 PM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
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There was a lot of big news afterwards.
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#35415 - 12/19/04 12:31 AM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
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Evidently GPS played a bigger role in the 9/11 attacks than I thought. It's a good idea to pack a compass after all!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,141697,00.html

I apologize deeply. I can't get the link to work. This is the cut and paste from the Fox news Website:

WASHINGTON — President Bush (search) has ordered plans for temporarily disabling the U.S. network of global positioning satellites during a national crisis to prevent terrorists from using the navigational technology, the White House said Wednesday.

Any shutdown of the network inside the United States would come under only the most remarkable circumstances, said a Bush administration official who spoke to a small group of reporters at the White House on condition of anonymity.

The GPS (search) system is vital to commercial aviation and marine shipping.

The president also instructed the Defense Department to develop plans to disable, in certain areas, an enemy's access to the U.S. navigational satellites and to similar systems operated by others. The European Union is developing a $4.8 billion program, called Galileo (search).

The military increasingly uses GPS technology to move troops across large areas and direct bombs and missiles. Any government-ordered shutdown or jamming of the GPS satellites would be done in ways to limit disruptions to navigation and related systems outside the affected area, the White House said.

"This is not something you would do lightly," said James A. Lewis, director of technology policy for the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies. "It's clearly a big deal. You have to give them credit for being so open about what they're going to do."




Edited by norad45 (12/19/04 12:40 AM)

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#35416 - 12/21/04 01:33 AM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-topic.
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Ditto, Brian, the crap has hit the fan, and we need to put a stop to it (the terrorism, that is) by ANY means necessary, and if that means stepping on our neighbors toes, then SO BE IT. For those who don't want to get their hands dirty or their conscience bruised, stay the heck out of the way.

Troy

P.S. heck wasn't really the word I had in mind

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#35417 - 12/21/04 03:50 AM Re: ObETS: Why discussions like this can be on-top
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Registered: 11/14/03
Posts: 1224
Loc: Milwaukee, WI USA
Wildcard163:

You sound like a little guy I have read about who used to sport a bad flat haircut and a little black mustache. He stepped on a lot of toes to achieve his goals and destroyed his own people in the process.

Overreaction at home will split the country involved, especially if the country is the USA.

Also, if you reread Brian's post, I think you will see that he is saying the same thing I have just said but in a different way.

Bountyhunter

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