A good point ... that is something I had tried hard to forget about previous trips to the lake. It is usually windier than a West Texas dust storm and a whole lot colder. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Excellent point about the MFS in the wind. That pretty much seals the deal. Thanks guys (even Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />) for the assistance. BTW I used to have a metal match and the Firesteel Army model puts out as much or more sparks so it should work out well for me.