#34344 - 11/19/04 03:30 PM
Re: Gun choices?
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Brian:
You must have missed that news video of the Secret Service agent who turned into the field of fire to protect then President Regan and what a .22 caliber caused his body to react like.
(Almost) Nobody wants to be shot and even those trained to take hits can be laid out with a .22.
bountyhunter Ah ha .. now maybe you'll believe me about how tuff Texas jack rabbits are. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> On a serious note, I am fully aware that a 22 can be lethal. However, I would not choose one for any type of civilian defensive situation such as home or personal protection. CHL holders in Texas arn't even allow to carry anything smaller than a 380 by law.
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#34345 - 11/19/04 03:30 PM
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Michael, If you are looking to gain some free gun handling time may I suggest you contact the people at Capable Partners. They are a group of Minnesota (mainly Twin Cities) sportsmen (and women!) who assist handicapped hunters/fishers. They are always looking for able-body helpers. Of course, you may have to listen to a lot of hunting/fishing stories. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> p.s. The guy with the deer on the homepage is my dad. He was the president of Capable Partners for many years and is a Minnesota-certified gun safety instructor. Not bad for only having one leg.
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#34346 - 11/19/04 03:51 PM
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you're not gonna be permanently deaf from firing a shotgun inside. Just don't make it a routine practice - good advice in any case! I did that and far worse than that during my career in the US Army I too have shot a variety of firearms indoors both with and without ear protection and so far my hearing is (although no longer perfect) still decent. There is a world of difference between shooting a 223 in a large room and shooting a 12ga in a closet. Or for that matter shooting a 12ga in a large room or in a closet. I'm not disputing what you say by any means, however, I fear that the statement may be a little too vauge to ensure safety in any give home defense situation. I just want to be sure our new friend has all the information he needs to keep his family safe and healthy especially if there are small children in the house. Their ears are far more sensative than ours if my understand of anatomy is correct (and please correct me if it's not).
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#34347 - 11/19/04 04:30 PM
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Registered: 11/14/03
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JohnN:
I am not a boating afficiado and have never been in a private boat on the ocean.
Having said that and having read that all boats recovered from pirates have never had their owners found alive, I have to believe that if you are targeted, you are dead.
The advantage is always with the hunter who has a plan and sticks with it. If you are approached by pirates and you have them standing off while talking to them holding a weapon, you can bet your bottom dollar they will have someone unseen by you lining you up with a sniper rifle.
Since once encountered by pirates you are dead, to my way of thinking, I would want to take as many of them with me as possible. I would rig my boat with secreted explosives (Screw the laws at this point.) which could be detonated with proximity switches after I flick a remote activator. The idea being if they shoot you from a distance before boarding the boat, it shouldn't blow up until they pull along side, board her and start rummaging through her.
A nice little touch would be a short loud verbal jab at them ala the movie "The Mechanic" with Charles Bronson and Jan-Michael Vincent using a tape recorder activated by the same proximity switches used by the explosives with about a 3 second delay.
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#34348 - 11/19/04 04:34 PM
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Brian:
Why don't you just admit that every time you shoot at those jack rabbits you end up giving them a bad haircut because you can't hit them in the head. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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#34349 - 11/19/04 05:16 PM
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JohnN:
My bathrobe gun is a Titan external hammer single action semi-auto .25 because of its weight, but more importantly because my Jennings J22 is not as reliable against jamming. They are both "NOSTRIL GUNS", but more importantly, I know I am going to shoot in the face (Not the forehead, too tough.) if I feel the need arises.
One of my "House guns" is a stainless steel Tauras 3" barrel five-shot snubbie loaded with semi-jacketed hollow points with my preferred aiming point, if necessary, the "badies" crouch. The crouch is not a quick killing zone, but extremely psychologically disabling before even firing. Anyone knowing you are going to shoot them there is more likely to run, try to bargain, or throw down their weapons and beg for mercy. My other house gun is a High Standard Mark IV 9-shot revolver with a 4" barrel in .22 magnum and is a face and forehead (Entrance through forehead is guaranteed, exit is not and the resultant bouncing around inside the skull is a really nice touch.) shooter.
My Springfield Mdl. 1911A1 with 2 hardball loaded magazines sits in the basement near my computers along with my 6 7/8" bull barrel Ruger Government .22 target pistol.
My Jennings J22 sits in the garage among my mechanics tools with 3 loaded magazines of "Ultra" velocity .22 hollow points and is kept very clean to avoid jamming.
I am an NRA certified Marksman 1st Class with a .45 caliber Mdl. 1911A1 which doesn't mean diddily should you become engaged in a fight for life. Unlike one of the posters on this forum, I have no qualms about cutting throats, shooting faces, or destroying the sex life of anyone meaning harm to me or mine.
I also own a gas powered BB pistol capable of 10 fast shots that I can probably blind you with before you can pull out your .454 casull howitzer to do me any harm.
I say please, thank you, excuse me and mean it in my day to day life. I treat others with respect, but stand ready to stand up against the worst of life even if I know I am going to lose the fight. Beyond that, I don't fantasize about gunfights as I would rather bounce tin cans with a .22 than dress up like "Shaft", stick a .45 auto in a shoulder holster and walk around trying to prove how "bad" I am.
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#34350 - 11/19/04 05:54 PM
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Never ... i'll never admit it. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#34351 - 11/19/04 05:57 PM
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Shaft carried a Khar 9mm .. atleast in the recent movie remake. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#34352 - 11/19/04 06:19 PM
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I believe the original "Shaft" film with Richard Roundtree had a 1911A1 .45 auto. It's been a long time since that movie and I could be wrong, but if neither of them carried a Mdl. 1911A1 .45 auto, they didn't know what they were doing. <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
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