does anyone know wether it is permitted to carry a rescue tool(knife with a blunt nose) such as benchmade auto stryker rescue on person, onborad a plane. I read the guidelines for what you can carry it is said knife with rounded nose(such as a butter knife) was ok. But a benchmade auto stryker is alot sharper.
Thanks

I wouldn't bet my knife on it.

It depends a lot on the airport and who you are flying with this sort of thing so I can't give you a definative answer. However they have started to be very picky about ANY kind of sharp object whatsoever. If this is the knife in question:

http://www.midwestgunexchange.com/itemdetails.cfm?id=5963

I would say little to no chance as it looks like a knife (which it is) regardless of the rounded nose they probably are not going to let you take it on your person. They have stopped me for having a pair of nail clippers before, so I would be very surprised if they let you carry anything like that.

Nowadays I would say to always put anything remotely sharp into your hold baggage (anything from scissors to nail clippers to knives of all desciptions) as chances are they will take it off you at security and the number one method for never seeing something again when you get to the other end is if they take it off you at security.

The answer is, I believe, nope, nope, and nope. The one and only 'tool' allowed on a plane, or so I've read, is an eyeglass screwdriver. And you'd better be wearing eyeglasses.

Besides, if you try to carry any sort of fancy and expensive tool through security, it will be tempting for the guards to declare it a 'weapon' so they may relieve you of it legally.

If they wouldn't let my wife carry one of her small paintings done on plywood on board ("You could use it as a weapon," they told her.), I don't think they're going to let you carry anything that looks at all like a blade.

Y'all better watch those lethal cotton balls...

Hey, are these airport guys the same ones who have been letting hijackers on board planes for the last 40 years, or have they got new ones, paying them an extra 25 cents an hour?

I guess it's back to the old hairspray & the Bic.

Sue

For that matter, anything at all can be used as a weapon, including one's hands if one knows karate or something.

This paranoia has stepped off the edge.

Or just plain steal it. It seems like every week there is ANOTHER case of TSA baggage screeners stealing jewelry, money, cameras, computers, clothing, you name it, from the bags that they have decreed MUST be unlocked in the name of security.
Oh, yeah, I feel a lot safer flying these days ...

I think I put up a reply in a similar thread about the abundance of deadly weapons and/or useful emergency tools that could be constructed with absolutely nothing other than a laptop computer. I'm talking about weapons that would make a 3" pocketknife look harmless by comparison! Explosives, incendiary devices, projectiles and some very large sharps, many of which could be roughly constructed in less than a minute by a lot of people with the proper aptitude. I'm not going to get in to a big discussion on how this would be done so don't ask. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I live real close to the Bell Helicopter plant so I already have enough black choppers flying around over my house.... don't need any more. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I was (and am again) simply pointing out the irony in our current security procedures, while at the same time I realize that any security (okay almost any) is better than no security and we must start somewhere. By the way... if you're looking at your laptop right now and pondering this... yes you would have to completely destroy it in the process. You think the TSA would find it humorous if they started seeing bumper stickers on laptops that read "In Case of Emergency Break Glass"? Probably not... LOL. Actually with a 4th grade education, a lot of them probably wouldn't get the joke. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Like most people I would love see airport security personal have the same level of training and education as SOCOM officers. Unfortunately the majority of taxpayers aren't willing to pay Westpoint graduates to do that type of work <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />.

In the good old days, 60 Minutes would have done a hidden camera expose of the wrongdoing, with photographic evidence of theft.

There would be a front page scandal, when the Powers That Be would be forced to do something about it. There would be denials, accusations, finger-pointing, firings, and resignations.

Now no one cares, I guess.

No! The maximum I'd risk is this: http://www.res-q-me.com/ , or the like. As far, as the TSA officer at the desk is the ultimate authority, and literally anything can be converted into a deadly weapon, it is a pure gamble.

My favourite laptop is the trusty old Panasonic CF-27. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I think it goes deeper than that ... in the post-9/11 security hysteria - and hysteria IS the right word - anything can be made to seem un-American or un-patriotic. Look how far John Ashcroft as managed to come in turning the US into a police state.

I'm not saying whether I agree with this guy or not, but it's something to think about:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/11/6/9523/36989

No one likes him very much, do they?

And yes, "hysteria" is the word of the day, probably the word of the decade, and possibly the word of the foreseeable future.

I agree with the article.

Of course we have a member who will argue that there exists no "IRREFUTABLE" evidence to that end.

Bountyhunter

On passing through airport security my brother had the battery of his maglight confiscated on grounds of being able to blind the pilot. They just dont give you a chance to be prepared anymore! Upon a crash landing you first have to get in the hold somehow to grap your PSK. If you find your bag that is!

Problem is, people are quickly losing the ability to trust, and governments refuse to address the causes (poverty, third world debt etc), and instead increase the tension within societies and communities, I can only presume because they want to be needed (or need to be wanted), and their jobs entitle them to make powerful decisions.

BBC news quality is going downhill incredibly fast since September 11, every small piece of 'news' is fired at you down the wires 24/7 ("BBC News 24"), perspective is being lost from this once impartial corperation, and this is the organisation which battles the government! It does though have some good reporters. It's not even worth talking of the other news broadcasters.

At the moment i can only think of taking this simple approach: think green, act green and vote Green. Being prepared has got to apply to how we prepare for the future of democracy, if you treat it as a mindset anyway.

As regards preparing for plane travel, I suppose your greatest asset in a crash or such like is your brain, if you concentrate too much on having the tools I think you can miss the obvious options. If you know to wait until crashing in the sea before opening your life-jacket for instance, try and tell everybody else that. If you can't undo the seatbelt, maybe you can loosen it first and wriggle out, but it's not the action which counts, it's the overall approach to the situation. I'm sure everybody already knows how important this is, I'm just speaking my mind here and don't mean to speak down to anybody.
Ian

Hmm.. maybe we should sit down and ask ourselves what would macgyver do? Perhaps we could come up with a way to cut through the seatbelt with a piece of chewing gum wrapper <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Don't see a problem with that, they're serrated after all!

I'd sharpen my teeth but then they would probably want to confiscate them too! Oooooooooouch!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Now that sounds like a game plan <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />.

New meaning to "armed to the teeth"

LMAO <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Well, maybe not ?IRREFUTABLE? but certainly something a little more substantial than the tedious internet musings of some bitter PHRASECENSOREDPOSTERSHOULDKNOWBETTER. hack who is upset over Kerry losing the election. I mean, it?s a bit silly to compare Huey Long, the arch-populist, with G.W Bush, however obliquely. On the political spectrum Long fell right between FDR and Trotsky. Oh well, I imagine it got him an ?A? on his 9th grade writing assignment. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Goatrider, thanks for the link though. That website did provide this gem. Very useful survival info indeed:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/11/4/41030/5661

By the way, Bounty, I?m back. The elk are safe for another year, and my supply of elk hair is getting dangerously low!

Regards, Vince

I have no idea whether this story is true or not, but it wouldn't surprise me <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />



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On a business trip, my father approached a security checkpoint at the airport. The National Guard shift was rotating, and a guard, in full uniform, was in line in front of him. As with everybody else, the soldier was ordered to go through the metal detector. Before doing so, he handed his M-16 rifle to security personnel along with other items such as handcuffs and a flashlight.
Still, the alarm sounded when he walked through. Further inspection revealed a little Swiss army knife inside one of his pockets.

"Sorry, Sir, but this item is prohibited," security said to the soldier. Taking the knife away, the airport worker handed him back the M-16.
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Welcome to Wonderland <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Sorry to jump in so late here.

I've been to California 30 times this year, I'm a member of most of the Frequent Flyer "Special" level programs, I know the crews on some flights by name. I fly quite a bit. I routinely carry EMT shears (clip them to the OUTSIDE of you bags, will speed things up). I also have hemostats they go through fine.

FYI: There's ample rescue tools on board all planes - including axes and knives, you just have to know whewre they are. I do and I'm not telling.

Once again, my advice to anyone who wants their knives, guns, or any other "special" items to be where you're going when you get there - Fedex your stuff to your destination. It's worth the money.
There's only 2 types of baggage - Carry On and Lost.

Indeed the danger would be too high with all these reckless people who visit this forum.

The risk between knowing the place of survival tools in case of a crash-land and now taking the opportunity to hijack a plane because they know where the tools are placed is just too high.