Subject: The Snow Walker (DVD)

I was thinking of making this offer this morning, and I guess Brian shamed me into it.

I'll put the DVD up on the lending library forum, and Brian gets first dibs on it. All I ask is that when everyone is finished with it, the last person on the list sends it back <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

just an idea, does anyone have a dvd/ vcr combo or a dvd recorder?

make a tape or dvd copy of it to send around instead of the master if its that hard to find.

if the copy is damaged its ok you still own the original.

>>make a tape or dvd copy of it to send around instead of the master<<

"Hi, I'm your friendly neighborhood lawyer from the MPAA. Sorry you didn't pay much attention to the "intellectual property" issues that have be steadily redefining American rights lately, but, um, you're under arrest for conspiracy..."

Thanks... PM sent... You have my mailing address. I'll send it on to whomever asks to be next in line.

points to that guy over there.

but isnt there some way to do that without breakin any laws?
its not like theres any profit being made or anything traded for its value.

>>but isnt there some way to do that without breakin any laws?
its not like theres any profit being made or anything traded for its value.<<

IANAL! (I am not a lawyer!)... of course, no disclaimer will protect you from lawyers anyway, but we keep trying...

To answer your question, though, from what little I've gleaned from just having a mild interest in the subject, I wouldn't think so.

I think the actual wording of the relevant copyright exceptions would be from the original "Betamax" decision, that states that you have the right to time-shift broadcasts for your own use, and the right to create one archival backup of commercial media for your own use.

Note that while this right is not currently in doubt, it is being challenged by repeated attempts to legislate it out of existence. The media companies really, really want you to pay, either on a subscription basis or pay-per-view basis, for every bit of entertainment in your life, and are looking for any possible way to make that happen. Ten years ago, would anyone have considered paying by the month for radio?

The term they typically use for the MOST prohibited activity is "distribution". Note that profit is irrelevant; Netflix or Blockbuster can buy a movie and rent it to a thousand people (certainly "distribution"), or "trade it for it's value", but even they, with their clout, cannot ever do it with a copy.

Aside from the letter of the law, if a judge were to bother to examine the principle (doubtful, unless there are at least millions on both sides), I suspect the argument would be that the proposed activity could easily be interpreted as distribution that replaced ("denied") sales to those holding the copyright, thus "denying" them income.

And, of course, there are few higher crimes in this society than denying a huge corporation income... especially as business models themselves increasingly become laws.

Of course, distributing the orignal has exactly the same effect... but they're working on that too- as evidenced by the legal attacks on used-CD stores, for instance- but in the end they'll probably settle for "improving" the media formats every so often (15 years, accelerating) so you have to re-buy your entire entertainment collection (movies, music, games) over and over again instead. Getting everyone to move from vinyl records to CD and from VHS to DVD was hugely profitiable, expect MUCH more of the same, with less benefit to the consumer, and more "digital rights management" (consumer-rights removal) for each round.

Personally, I don't care even a little bit how whether you distribute the orignal or a copy- I just wouldn't make plans to do so publicly.

That's the most cynical thing I've ever heard. And so true.

I didn't think I was going to need to do that for my VHS tapes. DVD didn't seem to be much better than VHS, although they are more likely to be widescreen. But then I got a wide-screen HDTV. VHS doesn't look any worse, but DVD looks so much better, I can't stand to watch a VHS. So now I'm replacing my favorite movies, gradually. I don't think I've even finished replacing all my favorite vinyl records with CD!

Well, I don't know how big Lion's Gate Entertainment is, but they're not exactly MGM. Making a movie is not cheap; filming it in the Canadian Arctic probably tripled the price. Choosing an unknown teenage Eskimo girl with no previous acting experience, who spoke English as a second language, to play the female lead may have been a brilliant stroke of artistic genius but it probably cut the potential audience in half. Setting it in Canada instead of Alaska ensured that it would never see mainstream distribution in the USA. And they probably lost a lot of the teenage male audience by not having the female lead prance around in the nude.

So I don't particularly begrudge them the $30 I paid for the DVD. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Sounds great. do it

Brian:

I mailed the DVD this afternoon. I put it in a regular CD case, not the DVD case it came in, so I could send it by regular letter mail - that way, I hope, you won't have to pay duty on it.

Sounds good to me. I'll let you know when I receive it.

I'm starting to think I am the only person that hasn't seen this movie since nobody has asked to have it next. I haven't received it yet but I am eagerly awaiting its arrival. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

I didn't want to be selfish and jump right in, but since nobody else seems interested, I'm after you brian. I'll PM you my address.

PM Received

Alas, as of today, it is still not available from Netflix.

Had a note on my door yesterday when I got home stating that I had an insured package that required signature that needed to be picked up at the local Post Office. I'm hoping thats the DVD but I have ordered so much stuff lately that it could be a lot of things. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Guess I'll find out this afternoon.

Received yesterday. Going to watch it this evening. Will pass it on tomorrow or tuesday and will post when I do.

Excellent movie! I watched it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it! I will send it on tomorrow morning. Thanks for sharing it with me!!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Glad you liked it <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Did you watch it by yourself, or did you take the opportunity to subvert - I mean, convert - friends and family? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

I sent it on to Goat-Boy today. Thanks again for sharing it Aardwolfe! It was excellent.

Thanks Bri-guy.

Who wants it after me?

Netflix hasn't got it, Blockbuster is hopeless..

... yeah, I'd like to see it, if it's not bumping anyone.

Thanks.

PM me your snail-mail address and you're next, PL.

Benton,

I took it to e-mail, since it's in your profile...

Thanks...

Whoever wants to be next, please let me know.

Next! That would be me, please. PM sent.

Tom

Looks like it's going on quite a tour <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

btw, if you think the hero looks familiar but can't quite place him? He was the left-handed, scripture-quoting sniper in "Saving Private Ryan". (He's probably been in lots of other movies, but that's where I remember him from.)

Hope everyone enjoys the movie. Share it with your significant other and they may start thinking you're not so crazy after all <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I was trying to figure out what else I had seen him in! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Tom,

Sorry, I could have sworn I responded to your post, but I don't see it...

In any case, you got it, I have your info, and I'll keep you "in the loop" on it's progress, so you'll know about when to expect it.

Thanks,
PL

Just got it today. I won't have a chance to watch it until tomorrow evening, so I'll be sending it out to PL on wednesday.

No rush on my account. I'm currently working long days with a very long commute, so I'll have to keep it over a weekend to have time to watch it myself.

Thanks.

I watched it tonight. My wife was in and out so didn't see all of it, but liked what she saw and wants to watch it again. So I ordered my own copy.

I have a new plan for my survival kit if I fly over the tundra. Bring an Inuit. You're not equipped to survive without one. Those people don't survive there- they live there.

Where did you buy your copy? I still havent found one and my wife wanted to watch it again.

Amazon marketplace. Search for "snow walker", and click on the button "see all buying options". Right now there are 1 used and 2 new. I've bought out-of-print games and books this way before, it's very reliable.

Found it. Still 2 new and 1 used. Thanks!

The ball's in my court...

I received The Snow Walker yesterday evening, looks to have arrived in good shape (thanks, Benton), so it's my responsibility now.

Tom, you're next. I'll PM or e-mail to let you know when it's on the way.

Wow, I sent it Monday! Snail-mail isn't living up to it's reputation!

When ever you're finished... I'm looking forward to seeing it, and so is my wife.

Reminds me of using Varmint Al's reamer a few years ago on the 7x10 minilathe egroup... what a traveled bit of tool steel!

Who's next? I'll plan on returning it to Aardwolfe otherwise - and thanks for putting this into circulation!

Tom

Tom,

Hi! I'm getting in line next. The movie sounds great. I'll PM you with my details.

Thanks,

John

P.S. Incidentally, Aardwolfe, thank you very much for making it available.

John - about time you surfaced! I was begining to think the critters et you! Got your PM; short reply sent.

Tom

>>P.S. Incidentally, Aardwolfe, thank you very much for making it available.

Hey, no problem. My only regret is that I don't get a commission (for all the people who decided to go out and buy their own copy after seeing it once <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )

Considering all the free advice I've gotten from so many people on this board, I figure I'm the one who should be grateful <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

aardwolfe ... registered 08/22/01 ... current total post count = 717 ... status = newbie member ...

Presumed_Lost ... Registered: 02/18/02 ... current total post count = 713 ... status = veteran


... hmmmmm a bit ironic isn't it <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I wanted to change it to "resident curmudgeon" but I couldn't figure out how <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Well, you've figured it out, I guess it's time to come clean. "aardwolfe" and I are really the same person. That's why nobody has ever seen us in the same room together.

When we fissioned the two personas early on, everything seemed to go fine, but over time PL's status changed with his other statistics, and aardwolfe's didn't, so it was bound to be noticed sooner or later. Sort of a cyberspace "Picture of Dorian Gray" thing.

Some of you were getting dangerously close to the truth, so I/we decided to throw off suspicion by taking this roundabout way to lend The Snow Walker dvd to myself... for which, while I'm at it, I should really thank myself, it was quite enjoyable.

Now that I/we have been discovered, I/we will have to abandon these, uh, aliaii, and go away, only to start all over again. I'm just not sure whether I will return as two personas next time, or we will return as just one.

By the way, "brian", I/we can't help but notice that you have no status at all... so to speak. Odd, isn't it? And yet, you were so quick to point out discrepancies in others....

Have you ever thought that maybe.. there's only one real person on this forum, other than yourself?

I'm sure the rest of us have.

But, how could I know that?

Unless... ???

AH HA ... I knew you were up to something ... the jig is up mister.

As far as my blank status. I am not here. You do not see me. Just go about your business. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Yah, that's because your user image is broken again.

thats the downside of imgpost.com ... their servers go down a lot

I've had "The Snow Walker" longer than I intended to, and I apologize for that. Didn't have time to view it until Saturday evening, and since I'm doing a long subway commute to work, and work is no where near a post office, I haven't had the chance to get it back in circulation yet (sorry, Tom).

But.. I'm going to be "off" on Friday, so I should be able to get it off on Friday morning.

While we're at it...

Having benefited from the generosity of others in the Lending Library (thanks, aardwolfe) got me to thinking what I might be able to give back.

I have a copy of Mors Kochanski's "Bushcraft" that I'd be happy to contribute if anyone's interested; I don't think I saw that it was already out there, if it is, I apologize:

Amazon/Bushcraft

Then there's another thought. I don't know if there's a Library policy on fiction, but those who hang out here probably remember that I've often named Robert A. Heinlein's book "Tunnel in the Sky" as my favorite "survival" novel, and some others who have read it have responded enthusiastically.

Amazon/Tunnel in the Sky

If anyone's interested, and there's no objection to fiction in the "pool", I'd be glad to make that available as well. Just let me know.

P_L,

Since you offer - please add the Mors K book in the package! I'll send it on to the next person quickly.

Have my own RAH books <grin>.

I guess I better go dig thru the library and see if I have any goodies to loan...

Tom

"Bushcraft"- that isn't a book on how to put a hex on the president, is it?

Tom,

Put me down next on the list for Kochanski's Bushcraft. Actually, I think I'm next on the list for the DVD too.

Thanks,

John

You got it, Tom. I'm determined to get it in the mail tomorrow morning. The weatherman seems excited about our prospects today, though. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

John,

Package on the way. PM sent.

Tom

I will take the "Snow Walker" when it comes up. I will be taking the week after Christmas off and will not be picking up mail etc then....so we may want to skip over me until after the new year.



Randy

Tom,

I just got the DVD and book yesterday. They're in good shape. And thanks a lot for the patch.

Randy,

I suspect we won't get to see the movie until the weekend, so we will send it off to you probably at the beginning of next week. You are both next and last on the list to date. Should I send it around the start of next week, or should I wait until you are again getting deliveries, say well after the Christmas busy mail season?

Let me know your wishes. Also PM me with your address and any other necessary delivery information.

John

John,

Unless someone would like to jump ahead of me, it would be real nice to delay sending it to me until after the 1st of the year.

I certainly do not want to cause a jam here, but I will not be around to receive it or view it until then.

PM on the way.

So anyone else please feel free to jump ahead and I will go after them.

Randy,

Hi!

I have just sent you via UPS a package containing Aardwolfe's DVD The Snow Walker, and Presumed Lost's book Bushcraft. UPS estimated it would arrive at your address about Wednesday, January 5, 2005.

If no one else requests the movie and book you will need to return them to their original owners.

I have also sent you a PM with the tracking information for the package.

Enjoy,

John

aardwolfe and Presumed Lost,

I want to thank both of you for your generous loans of an excellent and very enjoyable movie, and a very informative and readable book. My whole family (wife, kids, and I) watched the movie several times. I found Mors K's plentiful use of illustrations to be a big help in clarifying the techniques.

Best wishes,

John

UPSP was spot on. Book and DVD arrived safely today. I will watch this DVD this weekend and scan the book. I have read the book before but now I just may have to buy my own copy.

Thanks John....anyone next in line?

Randy

John;

I'm so glad you and your family enjoyed the movie that much.

Tell me, do they understand your obsession a little better now? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Schwert,

I don't know who might be 'next in line', but I would like to get in line at the end. Snow Walker sounds like a fascinating movie, and I haven't been able to find it at my local Blockbuster or on NetFlix.

I've updated my profile to include my email address so I can be easily contacted. Although I don't post much here I generally look for posts of interest daily.

aardwolfe,

Thank you for making the movie available to the members of the forum. I promise to take care of it and keep it moving.

Dennis

Dennis, you should take your email address off your profile. It's reachable by email-harvesting bots, and your spam level will increase. Most forums can be set up to email you when you get a private message, so that's what we usually use.

Goatrider,

I'm not sure my spam level _can_ increase. :P

Still, it's better to not risk it. I've taken my email address out of my profile and made certain I'm setup to receive email alerts for private messages.

Thanks for the warning.

Dennis

You'd be surprised, Dennis. I've heard some columnists and bloggers, who have to have their email address in the open, complain about hundreds of spams a day. I've been very careful with my email addess, and I usually only get about 10 to 20 a day. I had a little bit of a bump shortly after my cousin gave my email address to eVite when setting up our secret santa a year ago, but it went back down again.

Maybe you've been careless on other online forums in the same way. One way to check is to google for your email address. Usually, you can have the forum moderators delete your email address from their archives. Spammers prefer fresh email addresses, so if you stamp it out everywhere, your spam will start to show a decrease within a month.

Dennis, please PM your address. I think you are next and last on the list.

We had snow this Sunday and we spent the whole day playing in it with the neighbors and a zillion kids. I did not have a chance to watch this but I will have it done by next week.

Thanks

Aardwolfe,

Hi!

You know, I think it really did help them to understand why we worry about survival before problems occur. When we suddenly confront a danger, we may not have the time and other resources needed to save ourselves. Surviving requires advance preparation. It simply takes a lot of time to try to predict the likely problems, plan how to surmount them, learn the knowledge and techniques to overcome threats, get the tools needed to accomplish survival tasks, and finally develop the skills and mindset required in survival situations.

The movie illustrated what can happen to someone who is unprepared to take care of basic survival needs which were totally foreseeable. But for the pilot's fluke transporting of an ill but well-prepared passenger, he would have been totally bereft of virtually everything necessary to survive his remote plane crash.

My kids and wife saw graphically the starkly different outcomes in an emergency depending on the level of preparedness or lack thereof.

Again, thanks for sharing the movie with all of us.

John

Hey all,
Well, you don't konw me from Adam, but I would love to check out this film.
I have read about it, but it isn't offered at my local store.
I actually haven't posted before, but check in pretty regularly and have been "using" the site for years. A great weatlh of info here.
So if you can trust me, I would enjoy checking it out...
Maybe, someday, when I get the chance I will pull some of the survival/outdoor books off my shelves and throw them into the pot for others, and return the favor. My son keeps me pretty busy, though...
Thanks,
Brome

It's okay with me.

Dennis,

Box is packed and ready to post. Today is a holiday, so I will mail it off tomorrow.

Excellent show BTW. The Making of the Movie piece was very good too. Thanks Aardwolf.

Package went out to Dennis today. Should arrive by Friday.

Great DVD.

Randy

The Postal Service here in Omaha is pretty good about getting the mail out. The box arrived safely today. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I think I've got a treat to enjoy this weekend.

Dennis

Presumed Lost,

Your copy of Bushcraft is also in the box with the DVD. Should I send it along to Brome McCreary with Snow Walker? Or should it go a different direction?

Brome,

Please send me a private message with your mailing address, I'll need it shortly.

Dennis

Excellent, I was hoping it would be there for the weekend. The more I think about this DVD the more I realize how well done it was as both a movie and example of skills application.

Makes me want to read some Fawley Mowat now.

Enjoy.

The SnowWalker DVD arrived safe and sound.
I hope to have it in the mail to the next person by the end of the week, if not Monday, so whomever would like to have it next, just drop me an email or pm.
Thanks for letting me check it out.
Brome

Finally got a chance to view this and really enjoyed it, and am pretty sure my 9 month old son enjoyed it...
My wife really liked it, too and we are planning to add it to our library for futuring viewing when my son gets older.
Thanks again.

So who, if anyone, else is interested in checking this out next?
Please PM me and I will get in the mail to you ASAP.
I will wait a few days to give everyone a chance to see this message.
Then, if I don't get any bites, I guess I will send it on back to Mr. Lorimer.
Thanks,
Brome

Ok, I sent this DVD on to Sinjz yesterday.
Thanks again,
Brome

I'd like to get in line for this after Sinjz

wouldn't mind seeing this one after rocket

waiting for a pm with billy's address

on the way...sorry, I've been out of pocket for the last two weeks (been in the woods).

Snow Walker will be on the way to BG in today's mail. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Whew....got it, moved, watched it, it's up for grabs...

Still up for grabs. If no takers in one week, it's going back to the owner....lovely movie, by the way.

Yah, I liked it so much I bought my own copy. Tough to track down too- IIRC, I had to buy it from an amazon partner.

If you didn't watch the 'making of extras' make a point to do so!

I would like to added to the list to borrow the Snow Walker DVD. Please let me know if I need to do anything else. My email address is TomSwango@DirecWay.com

Thank you

Tom

Hey Tom. I have the DVD in my possession. Just PM me with your mailing address and I will send it to you.

Regards.
Kenn

Now that I can post again, I just wanted to give a long belated 'thank you' to aardwolfe for lending me this DVD. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> It was a very good movie and I think anyone who hasn't seen it, should.

Where is it right now anyway? <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

You're very welcome. Glad so many people enjoyed it.

BTW, the return snail-mail address I included on the box is no longer valid (I have moved from Calgary to Ottawa) so whoever has it, please don't try sending it back to me. Just scratch out the address and keep it circulating. (I got another copy of it anyway.) :-)

As I posted a year ago I still have the DVD. It is residing in the warm (boring) climate of So. Cal. If anyone wants it please PM me with your address and I'll send it on its way.

Regards, Kenn

Ok all you survival movie buffs.
I have The Snow Walker DVD in my possession.
aardwolfe now knows where it is and has given permission for it to continue to circulate.
If anyone wants to view it, email me and I will send it to you. Email better than PM as I don't always check the forum.
Thanks again to aardwolfe for making this movie available to us. It is very much worth watching.
Mike