Snugpak. Please notice the dodge in any warranty by stating used bags cannot be returned for health reasons. The SELLER doesn't want to back his product. This dealer is in California. My main surplus retailer,www.majorsurplusnsurvival.com sells used,surplus bags all the time.

A serendipitous followup here. My Wiggy bag has been washed a documented ( I'm trying to wean myself from cellphone games with more meaningless diversions) 81 times. The loft is still perfect, though my zipper just failed with some deformed teeth. I emailed Jerry asking what he requires from me for his lifetime warranty. I'm thinking sales receipt, return shipping, yadda, yadda. Jerry asked me to wash it first <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />

I picked up a couple of the CountyComm black sleeping bags, wasn't too impressed.

No way on earth are you going to be comfortable at 15 degrees in this bag alone. Well, not for a prolonged period of time anyways. Maybe if layered with the green bag as a system. Maybe.

The loft is minimal, no zipper tube, I probably would rate it as a 45 degree bag.

I was wary about the no return policy because there alot of places that sell used military surplus bags like Chris said.

Checked out the Countycomm bags. The site says that the bags are brand new. Hopefully that means completely brand new and not just new to them... Would it seem impolite to ask?

The black CC bag was reviewed by someone on CPF. Conclusion was that it's an imitation Snugpack, not the real thing, but probably an ok value at $40.

Also, sleeping bag temperature ratings even from good brands are marketing fantasy. Don't believe them for one second. Get one rated for several levels colder than the coldest temperature you'll actually use it in.

I have a TNF Chrysalis that I use as a summer bag and it's great for that. But it's rated for 20 degrees F, which is ridiculous. It's chilly at 60 F.

Campmor has a ton of good deals on sleeping bags. They carry the common hiker brands, and offer good service. I'd check them out - look at the "Hot Deals" section, especially.

Sam

>>I have a TNF Chrysalis that I use as a summer bag and it's
>>great for that. But it's rated for 20 degrees F, which is
>>ridiculous. It's chilly at 60 F.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but there are other variables to take into consideration:

1. It depends on personal acclimatisation. Someone from Yellowknife or Anchorage might be comfortable sleeping naked at 60F.

2. It depends on the size of the sleeping bag. A larger SB will require more body heat to warm the interior. Ideally, you should get one to fit you, not just assume "one size fits all".

3. The ratings may be based on what will keep you alive, not on what will keep you comfortable. I think that would be at least possible to measure (they can measure the heat loss from the sleeping bag and compare it to the average person's metabolic requirements, for example.)

Having said that, any type of injury or illness will increase your susceptibility to cold , so a sleeping bag that will normally keep you toasty warm at -20 may not be adequate if you've been in a car accident and are suffering from mild shock. Err on the side of caution and supplement the sleeping bag with a couple of survival candles and a survival manual in the glove compartment.

If I were you, I would avoid The North Face like the plague. I work at a backpacking store and we don't even care any equipment by them now because they are owned by Vanity Fair now. Not to mention that most of their clothing is "poser wear" for people who want to LOOK like they actually do climbing or backpacking. Oh yeah, and they also got in trouble a few years back for fudging the degree ratings on their sleeping bags. I just sold off the last of my North Face gear on Ebay.
The bag I now trust is a Western Mountaineering Ultralite. It is a down bag (weight is 1 lb., 9 oz./25 degree rating) that has a Pertex shell that does a great job at repelling water. Western Mountaineering makes several other bags, all of them goose down, at lower degree ratings. I highly recommend them because the only thing they make are sleeping bags. Not tents, clothing, backpacks, etc., etc.

I guess I'll be sticking with my Slumberjack Superguide then. I'm real happy with it. Just wish it was lighter weight. Ofcourse then I wish all of my gear was lighter weight regardless of what it weighs now. <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Has anyone tried this?


WOOPS missed the earlier post... <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />