Swert, BTW www.eknifeworks.com has the German Army knife with the saw/flat screw driver. They are used by various makers, $6.95 I think. I got 3 as stocking stuffers. 1 was new, 1 was near new and SAK and the 3rd was very good condition. They all came with a removeable guard over the saw teeth. I'm a fan of the Allway saw also. I just spent about an hour going over the articles, thanks again.