well firstly I'm not trying to make this in to a "flame war" and I'm sorry if you thought I was. what I ment was this is a skill that could be needed in a survival situation, for me I allredy know how to light a fire quickly if I have matches, so leaning to use friction methods is that next step in a long journey. <br>I wasn't serjesting that you teach the "averege" person to use a bow drill or hand drill (though it wouldn't hurt to try!).<br>-james