Hi Guys,

No, No I am not asking a trick question nor am I trying to be to critical.

Maybe I am preaching to the choir and that is a good thing. When I started many years ago I bought one kit and found out that it did not have enough stuff and then bought another and another, and yet another. I do not want to say how many kits I have how much I money I have spent.


Yes Chris I know you are well versed in survival and so am I and we could probably both survive in very hostel environments. That isn't a ego trip but just a statement on the education that this site provides for people. Congratulations!!

I am sorry, I am laughing, now you said "You were last on @ May 2003" but I have never left, I have been checking out this site the whole time. Chris are you scolding me for what I said on (May of 2003), or for not posting sooner.




Hi Presumed lost,

(long time) , you said this "but I'm not much into rhetorical exercises". I had no intension of saying this but I will now! Well I am not into games or rhetorical exercises, I will tell you a true story though. My buddies and I where hiking in the Olympic mountains in Washington many many years ago and there were two day hikers on the same route; a guy and a girl. To keep it short they hiked too far out to get back in time and it got dark, they had no equipment and no flashlight, but they tried to hike back anyway. The only problem was as you know that some of the trails lead right up to the edges of cliffs. He lead her right off the edge of a cliff, he died when he hit the bottom, she was gored by a branch on a ledge on the way down and hung there all night, and somewhere in the middle of the night she froze to death. That night it rained, snowed, cleared off and froze. I got out of my tent and looked around and it was so beautiful out, so cold, it was clear and peaceful, it was gorgeous. I never heard her scream, no even once.



Anyway about the cost of the kit, I