Dave750gixer:

Sounds worse and more complicated than New York, USA.

I remember reading about an incident that supposedly happened in Italy. A man came home to find another man having sex with his wife. He got a rifle and shot both of them, only wounding them. He was sentenced for shooting them both and not killing them. If he had shot and killed them both, he would probably would have been set free for behavior as a "Matter of Honor".

I do understand he was extremely sporting about it as he shot the man "on the rise".

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Dave750gixer:

Actually there is one way and that would entail another invasion of England by a warring faction.

I can tell you that this time around, the American citizenery would not lend handguns and rifles as willingly to the United Kingdom.

Bountyhunter

Hmmm. Well, we've only had a bit over 200 years to develop all those sorts of distinctions, so I guess my assumptions were showing. Y'all have a big head start on us. Now, if we could just keep those daft Iowegians off our roads in Illinois... although the ones who learned to drive in Illinois but are currently living in Iowa yet working in Illinois... ...never mind, it's too complicated...

...and your Bio says Scotland but you're living in England, so - wait! I've got it! Don't drive in Illinois, OK? You folks drive on the wrong side of the road. Probably had Iowa driving instructors imported to the UK of GB. There, I've got it all sorted out now.

...and if you had ever met an American who intensely feels he's a "Scot" by virtue of ancestry, you would have REALLY understand my initial confusion!

TiC

Tom

I just got caught back up on this thread, and it's hard to believe that the "good and common" people everywhere are letting themselves get so backed into a corner like this. Pretty soon, teeth and dentures will be regulated as concealed weapons. It's a sickening thought, and I hope I'm never put in a situation where I can't go down with my 1911 smoking in my hand... but it seems more likely every day... pitiful <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />.

Dave's right in what he is saying, God forbid that a mere victim of serious crime would even think about infringing on a decent upstanding criminals human rights by making them stop. IMHO the PC brigade in this country have too much influence on politics as a whole. I'm in favour of the open carry policy as long as its used sensibly as has been shown in example above. I'm also in favour of arming the police but thats a whole different can of worms.

Johno

FWIW a Scot living in Scotland. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Just wondering, can you guys carry a Multi-tool in the UK? Like a Leatherman Wave?

Just finished reading this thread , all 42 views.
Apart from the very different cultural aspects between the UK and the US, the precieved threat (real or imaginary) is also entirely different. Whilst I disagree with Uk law on carrying knives, I could not honestly justify to myself the need to carry one in the name of self defence.
I live and work in Leith, the docks area of Edinburgh, a working class, but proud area of the city. Most trouble is sorted by fists. It is a rare and headline grabbing event if there is a stabbing. There is no pride associated with, or street cred gained within the community by carrying a weapon. I would be a foolish man to brag about or pull a weapon out in anger - I would be asking for more trouble than I could ever dream of dealing with.
To be truthfull I'd be better off learning a martial art.
I say this in relation to my community and city, and cannot comment on other areas.
To gain a greater insight to the real trouble makers, I would recommend the link below - humourous but true.

http://glasgowsurvival.co.uk/

{Definition - NED = non-educated delinquent}

Oh... I carry a leatherman squirt on me...

While I agree that political ineptitude and ignorance has lead to some unjust things, some of you should remember that in places like Canada and the UK the violent crime rate is disproportionably lower. Heck here in Canada we were all scandalized to have five murders committed in Toronto (Ontario’s biggest city) last year. While I wholeheartedly defend the peoples right to defend themselves, you should realize that in some cases carrying a gun or what have you would do more to escalate the situation rather then calm it. If I lived in LA, Im sure I would apply for a concealed carry permit, but I live in Ontario and the worse thing I’ve ever seen was a guy getting beat up behind a bar and before I could help, two other guys jumped in and separated everyone involved. I suppose that what Im saying is that sometimes allowing people access to whatever weapons they want is like pouring gas on a smouldering cigarette on the road.

As a note on Second Amendment rights to arms as a means to keep the government in check I believe thats outdated. Not in the way you may be thinking when I say that but hear me out. If the government goes nuts (which it currently is actually) and you as a patriotic citizen goes out to fight for democracy, it won't matter if you have a full auto Gaili or a semi autoAR-15 in your hand, the military would send a bradley or striker on your butt and fry you. If your truly interested in the rights to arms for the purpose of keeping the government in check you should be more concerned with securing explosives, learning how to make improvised munitions and secure anti-material rifles like the Barret M8 because road side bombs and material destruction would be the only real way to keep the government off its toes. Am I condoning this kind of action? No. Im just saying that through a tactical standpoint, a gurrieal war or attrition would be the only way to attack a police state. Just something to think about.

I just read through this whole thread and it seems to me parts of it went a little bit off topic. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm willing to guess that 99.9% of us who carry some form of knife/tool will never need it for self-defense. I don't generally walk out of the house without something bladed in my pocket, but I think the prospect of using it to defend myself is pretty remote. (And besides, if I'm out in the middle of the night, I generally bring the dog and her growls clear sidewalks... <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />)

Since this is the original anti-hype survival site, more likely scenarios for me are the unfortunate things that happen in cities. For anything more than a walk in the woods, I take a fully stocked pack, but around town, if it's not in my pocket or on my belt, it's not with me. So, I almost always carry a Leatherman, and more often than not, it's a Leatherman Juice.

I'm no expert on any of this, but here's my two cents:

1) Serrated blades make quick work of seatbelts and stuck clothing. I'm not worried about my own seatbelt, I'm thinking of someone else's here.
2) Screwdrivers can be your best friend if you're locked in somewhere
3) Pliers can be used to twist and snap metal. They can be used to pry things in places blades would snap.
4) Scissors and everything else are icing on the cake

I happen to think that the single most important always-carry-item in a city is a flashlight. Blackouts in the interiors or basements of very large office buildings really suck without some form of personal illumination. My experience is that most of those emergency lighting systems simply do not work.

“what Im saying is that sometimes allowing people access to whatever weapons they want is like pouring gas on a smouldering cigarette on the road.”

I am surprised to see that people in your part of Canada are so hotheaded. Most Canadians I have met are very pleasant and even-tempered, and I would have no problem having them carry a firearm around me.

“A a note on Second Amendment rights to arms as a means to keep the government in check I believe thats outdated.”

Well, fortunately you are a citizen of Canada and you don’t have to worry about all those crazy American ideas about freedom and how to keep it. Stay well north of 54’ 40” (is that the border?) and I’m sure you will be safe as houses.

By the way, I visited Toronto for 5 days in 1990. I’m ashamed to say that’s the only time I’ve ever been to Canada. What a great city with nice people. I hope to be back someday and see more of your beautiful country. I wanted to hunt there but I heard you now charge an extra $50.00 for me to bring in my rifle. I guess I'm perceived as something of a threat. Oh well, maybe I'll just hunt in Alaska. That should come as a relief to the powers that be. A pity though, really.

Regards, Vince