Norad45:

It occurs to me that anyone making a decision of the magnitude of killing a President of the United States would chose a reliable weapon that had proved itself capable on the battlefield.

I suppose the Carcano was also able to make the "magic bullet flight path" the lone gunman managed to achieve.

If I remember correctly, the Carcano sold for about $12.00 through the mail and you could buy a Mauser for under $30.00.

If you are an asassin, an extra $18.00 is not going to disuade you.

Of course it was a real convincing photograph with unnatural shadow details that had Lee H. Oswald holding a Carcano that really convinced the masses.

Bountyhunter

Aardwolfe:

Based on his military record at the time, he just made the grade in marksmanship. If I remember correctly they were using M1s which are semi-automatic.

The background data did not list Oswald as a hunter or gun enthusiest and you would have me believe that he could work a bolt action rifle of questionalble reliability and hit the targets each time? I've had bolt actions, pumps, lever actions, and semi-autos, and in my experience semi-autos are best for maintaining repeat target acquasition for follow up shots.

I couldn't buy it then, I don't buy it now.

Best of all, despite the integrity of the Secret Service, you think the route was chosen at random without concerns for security. The route you described so well was chosen for the express purpose of presenting an easy target, but the gunmen did not, in my opinion include Lee Harvey Oswald.

Unfortunately, we will never know because smart employers of paid asassins get rid of the loose ends quickly. I would guess that the actual trigger men didn't live to see the next day, and I would further guess that the men in contact with the trigger men were also dispatched soon thereafter.

That leaves us with no trail and a bunch of optimists who very dearly want to believe that the rich of their country do not really run it with murderous hands.

I still believe the Kennedy's, Dr. King, and a slew of less notable individuals were killed for economic considerations and not by "nut cases", although you could argue that those who value money and power more than human life are "nut cases".

Bountyhunter

To all:

Went to the NRA site today to see if I could replace the shooting medals I had lost somewhere in my house.

The good news is they have medals, but they are not as nice as the ones I had earlier, so I will replace them (And a week later I will probably find the old ones.).

The bad news is I MISSTATED MY QUALIFICATIONS for smallbore rifle.

The Sharpshooter qualification with 9 bars comes before Expert, and after Expert comes Distinguished rifleman.

So, in rifle smallbore, I have Pro-Marksman, Marksman, Marksman 1st Class, Sharpshooter with 4 bars, and quite a ways to go before finishing that division. Please keep in mind that this is smallbore paper target shooting which is not as stressful as those of you that shoot large caliber weapons in real life situations (I still believe I would have been a better sniper than that dipstick that shot Mrs. Weaver at Ruby Ridge.).

Bountyhunter

Paladin press sells silencer instructions?

Geesh, and I have been wasting gas going to my local library for all of that sort of information.

Next thing you're going to tell me is that you can buy nuclear bomb making instructions on the internet and I have been paying overdue book penalties for the stuff I got from the library.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

?Unfortunately, we will never know because smart employers of paid asassins get rid of the loose ends quickly.?

This is great! So now the very fact that there is no evidence for the existence of a conspiracy is by itself evidence that such a conspiracy exists? That's what I call an irrefutable argument! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Regards, Vince

“It occurs to me that anyone making a decision of the magnitude of killing a President of the United States would chose a reliable weapon that had proved itself capable on the battlefield.”

Well, you would. And I would. But neither of us has the faintest idea what Lee Harvey Oswald would do because we ain’t him.

“If you are an asassin, an extra $18.00 is not going to disuade you.”

Unless of course you simply don’t have it and can’t get it. $18.00 was a lot more money 40 years ago.

I am somewhat surprised that someone with your obvious background and knowledge of shooting would still cling to the “magic bullet” nonsense. I think that theory, which should be more properly termed the “multiple bullet” theory, has been effectively refuted. Look here for an in-depth discussion with diagrams and photos:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/sbt.htm

In brief, it shows that since Governor Connally was sitting well in front of and to the left of Kennedy then the whole question of the bullet making the mythical “right turn” becomes moot—the bullet behaved exactly the way bullets do.

Give it a read. It’s not as glamorous as Oliver Stone but it’s a lot more convincing—at least to me.

Regards, Vince

The only way we'll ever know what happened for sure is to send the team from CSI to look around on the "grassy knoll"!
gino <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

>>Based on his military record at the time, he just made the
>>grade in marksmanship.

Meaning he could hit the target?

>>The background data did not list Oswald as a hunter or
>>gun enthusiest and you would have me believe that he
>>could work a bolt action rifle of questionalble reliability and
>>hit the targets each time?

I could be misrembering but I thought he fired twice and missed once?

In any event, if I were going to shoot the President of the United States, I'd probably practise up a little first, so the fact that he wasn't a hunter or gun enthusiast strikes me as kind of irrelevant. I'm not a hunter or gun enthusiast either, but I'm pretty sure I could hit a stationary man-sized target at that range if I went out and practised for a couple of weeks. Hell, I could do it at twice that range in basic training, and I was a radio operator.


>> I've had bolt actions, pumps, lever actions, and semi-
>>autos, and in my experience semi-autos are best for
>>maintaining repeat target acquasition for follow up shots.

And your point is? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> (You're still assuming that whoever did the shooting was acting rationally and intelligently; take away that assumption and there's no reason not to believe that the shooter would use a cheap, mail order, bolt-action rifle. There's no evidence that the shooter was able to follow up any of his shots, so why is that relevant to the discussion?)

Norad45:

Sorry, Chris requested no more conspiracies on this thread so in the interests of other readers who may want to post opinions, I will decline to respond so that hopefully the thread stays open to those who have yet to offer views.

Bountyhunter <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Conspiracy theory??? I have a friend that volunteers his time and CPU processes to the SETI project. He says they got a response recently. I told him that if those aliens come to enslave us now that he has helped let them know that we are here, then I'm gonna kick his a$$. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />