Norad45:

Facetious!, that's the word I was trying to think of.

According to a Websters vest pocket dictionary, deluxe edition of about 50,000 words, it means "gay, witty".

Keep in mind this is a very old pocket dictionary from my high school days before "gay" was adopted as a sexual orientation description.

When the late President John F. Kennedy was assasinated on November 22, 1963 and they attributed the act to M1938 Italian Carcano 6.5mm (Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38) rifle, I knew they were lying.

Back then I was still in high school, and very heavily into guns with subscriptions to most of the gun magazines and I hung around with like minded people.

Guns could be pruchased through the mail, and handguns required nothing more than a statement that the purchaser was 21 years of age or older. The 6.5 Italian Carcano had such a bad reputation for reliability and accuracy that they were making them into floor lamps. It was rumored that they came with instructions to grab the rifles by the barrels and use them as clubs for the best results.

Lee Harvey Oswald did not have the ability to make the kinds of shots attributed to a lone gunman, and an expert rifleman would never have used such a piece of crap for an assasination.

Moving to "Around the campfire" under Bountyhunters musings. All are invited to discuss, argue, criticize, or just laugh at the postings.

Try to keep it civil enough so Chris isn't forced to shut us down. That means using really high-brow put downs and innuendo.

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Weapon No 109
Rifle 6.5 mm M1938 (Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38)
REME Weapon 109 - Rifle 6.5 mm M1938 (Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38) REME Weapon 109 Detail - Rifle 6.5 mm M1938 (Mannlicher-Carcano 91/38)

This rifle became of international interest when President John F Kennedy, 35th President of the United States, was assassinated on 22 November 1963. An example of the Mannlicher-Carcano was originally presumed to have been used by the assassin since one was found nearby, but later detail investigations have thrown doubt on this. The Museum's example was produced in 1940 at the Italian arsenal at Terni. In 1938, with the introduction of the 7.35 mm cartridge, a new short rifle and two patterns of carbines chambered for this cartridge were introduced, all with fixed sights. The entrance of Italy into World War 2 in 1940, with insufficient supplies of ammunition at hand, caused second thoughts on the use of another cartridge and that same year the 6.5 mm was reintroduced, and Carcanos manufactured from that date were again chambered for the 6.5 mm cartridge.

The information above this paragraph and below my name was taken from a website dedicated to Italian Carcano rifles maintained by United Kingdom residing entities.

Thanks Bountyhunter...

You have made my day! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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Leeman:

Yeh, we were way off track from the original thread, and I figured it was going to shut down a good thread.

If we get shut down here, at least it is not as important as survival information.

Bountyhunter

I believe the definition should be updated to read "unsuitabably witty".
As for an "expert" rifleman it should be noted that the definition of an "expert" is:

"An "Ex" is a has been, or an unkown quantity
and a spurt is a drip under pressure."

I'll leave the "gay" part to others...
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Joblot:

With nasty descriptions like that about "Expert", I'm glad I went all the way to "Distinguished Rifleman, 4th Bar" in the NRA's small caliber qualifications, and only as far as Marksman First Class with a "US Caliber .45 Auto" pistol.

I didn't go further with the pistol qualification due to inability to practice with no money to buy cartridges. I did manage to screw up my hearing pretty good though.

As for the "unsuitably" remark, please respect that each has their own opininon, or if they are a spinmiester, has their orders.

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As regards your marksmanship, I have the utmost respect.

I was rather uncerimonially chucked out of my school shooting club for being, in a word - crap.
In my defence however the ancient .303 bolt action rifles had a horrendous kick and rather squiffy sights.....at least thats my excuse! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Regards
Joblot

Joblot:

That is what I like about .22's which is what I used for the rifle qualifications.

I don't know if I would have survived the constant kick of a .303 when you consider the number of targets you have to turn in by the time you get that high in the ratings Distinguished rifleman for small caliber rifle had either 6,7,or 8 bars after getting the gold colored chest shield. To my great regret, I can not remember where I put that shield and bars. The NRA maintains a record of my scores, but does not offer that type of chest shield anymore.

I used a light target rifle with leather sling which I have to this day. It is a Mossberg bolt action magazine feed Model 340B with a Mossberg peep sight. Back then, Mossberg used to make rifles.

Bountyhunter

>>Lee Harvey Oswald did not have the ability to make the kinds of
>>shots attributed to a lone gunman, and an expert rifleman would
>>never have used such a piece of crap for an assasination.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - and OJ was much too smart to have dropped one of his gloves at the scene of the crime, too.

Criminals aren't always the savviest bunch. Nutbar criminals, like the ones that shoot Presidents in order to get their names in the newspaper, are even less so. Trying to decide whether a nutcase is guilty based on what an intelligent, rational person would do is a fool's errand.

It's a fact that JFK's itinerary for the motorcade was published well in advance so the crowds could line the street; it's a fact that the limousine had to make a 90 degree right turn, followed almost immediately by a greater-than-90 degree left turn, immediately prior to reaching the location where JFK was shot; one didn't need to be any kind of an expert to realise that the limousine would have been almost stopped when it made the second turn and would have presented a perfect target.

On what grounds do you conclude that Oswald "didn't have the ability"? It wasn't (or, if you prefer, wouldn't have been) a particularly long or difficult shot, especially at an almost stationary target. The limousine was travelling very slowly; it was moving away from him (thus, there would have been very little lateral movement, meaning there was no need to "lead" the target). I'm pretty sure I made more difficult shots than that the first time they handed me a rifle on the shooting range in basic training.

O.K.guys, keep it fun. No conspiracies, silencer instructions from Paladin Press or references to The Protocols of Zion. Step over the line of ETS guidlines and a black helicopter will be sent to bug your Altoid Tin PSKs. Personally, I sold my SMLE to a Afrikaaner who I.D.ed it as a S.A. rifle this afternoon. I have an online friend named Yasha in Saint Petersburg. It turns out she lost family in this unspeakable horror. I didn't beat my SMLE into a plowshare, but it bought her a roundtrip ticket home she otherwise couldn't afford. Events like this make all the hot air of politics and the twin evils of bigotry and extreme ethnicity seem less worthy of humanity than children squabbling over crayons. Who killed Kennedy? We all did, everytime we get angry over stuff that doesn't mean diddly.

Bounty, the Carcano Oswald used was noted for its unreliability in BATTLE CONDITIONS, (i.e.: full of mud, dirty, etc.) I don’t think conditions in the Book Depository were quite as harsh as your typical Italian slit trench.

Conspiracy theorists dismiss the Carcano because it doesn’t fit their notions of what a well-funded assassin would use. But it is exactly the type of weapon that a lone nut-job like Oswald would be able to afford. He probably chose the cheapest rifle in the entire catalog. I mean, did you expect him to spring for a Weatherby?

The fact is, a Carcano was found at the scene. Not a Winchester Model 70. Not a Remington 720. Not a fancy engraved English double rifle. I think it is odd that finding what one would logically expect to find somehow provides more evidence of a coverup.

But that’s the way it always is with conspiracy theories.

Regards, Vince